Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

[SQ421]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

So why do people abuse them and then come on an open forum and brag about the abuse?

Accessing a lounge when entitled to is *not* an abuse. Nor is price beating JQ's fares on a particular route with TT's sale and then using the ticket (and one's earned status) to enter the First Class Lounge. Each of them is entirely within the rules set out by the respective entities.

Qantas made the rules. If Qantas (allegedly) don't like the consequences, they are free to go ahead and change the rules.

 

[maninblack]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

Most people want to get some value out of their travel spend. (even if they are not actually paying for it themselves) So the little perk of getting into the F lounge is a valued benefit for many, it's understandable, call it human nature. I was in Europe last week and watched all of these J passengers hitting on the ****ty food and booze in ****ty share lounges. I quickly departed in most cases and used the somewhat nicer cafes available, but I had to fork out my own $$$. There isn't much value left in being a QF WP or in flying QF at all so F lounge access is a little itty bitty remaining perk. BTW there is still one in AKL too FWIW (which is not much except some better booze)

 

[TonyHancock]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

At least you looked after yourself (and me, well, this year anyway). F passengers would possibly prefer that we didn't soil their lounge with our presence!

To be honest I'm always offended on behalf of others when QF let me into the lounge!!!

By that I mean, not even you would gain access, be it to a sit down meal in the F lounge, or perhaps take it even further, the whole lounge (or a lounge above it).

On the whole not letting me in is probably a good thing for everyone else!!

I realise your comment was meant to inflame, but it raises a very good point, not even P1's should get something for nothing, and if you're flying on JASA's and Y- fares and getting to P1, you're still not as important as a real F pax commuter, and that's the truth!

Indeed.

QF plays an excellent game by luring FF's to the next level with promises of lounges and champagne and we spend our dollars pursuing "the dream".

Didn't recognise you in your new coat.

Can you see if you can put in a good word for us lowly Platinums so that we can visit the First lounge once in a while if travelling Qantas?

I suspect QF might chuck me out before you so I'll be begging for entry!

Good riddance to the WP riff raff.

I can't see why they should be allowed in a J or F lounge any more than they should be allowed in a J or F cabin.

QF let's us in because the FF program is about the only part of the business they run with any sort of "business" skill. We'll keep spending dollars, and "buying" points in order to keep status.

 

[medhead]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

Back on topic, instead of going through all the motion, all they need to do is remove the JQi flights from sale between SIN-MEL. Or, if they feel they absolutely must offer the capacity, simply offer full price fares only. I can't see anyone paying $600 return to have a couple of dine, wine, and spa sessions, but if somebody needs a last-minute ticket during peak season, they would probably need to pay that much in the first place anyhow - in which case, so be it.

Especially when you can fly to SIN on QF for $450 return and not have to stuff around with JQ check in limits.

Meh I'm with Princess Fiona on this / couldn't care less if it's taken away.

IF all of this is true - I would be interested (but will never find out I guess!) how much JQ are paying QF per pax to access the F lounge. There is a transfer price that is charged for international lounges between QF and JQ.

Sorry but JQ pay NOTHING to QF for lounge access. JQ refuse to pay QF. This is information direct from QF provided during lunches and such.

 

[JohnK]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

Accessing a lounge when entitled to is *not* an abuse.

Putting in Qantas' face is abuse. And bragging about doing it on $9 TT price matches makes it worse.

 

[medhead]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

Putting in Qantas' face is abuse. And bragging about doing it on $9 TT price matches makes it worse.

So it's not abuse if you don't mention it in public? Yeah ok then.

 

[blackcat20]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

How often people doing runs that would constitute abuse though? As far as I'm aware, there's only been one, maybe two this year. And you have to be WP to gain access, that's a lot of QF spend so they certainly aren't low revenue pax.

 

[SQ421]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

Putting in Qantas' face is abuse. And bragging about doing it on $9 TT price matches makes it worse.

You have a strange definition of abuse. And I didn't realise an inanimate entity could be "abused". And bragging about TT price match makes it worse for whom? It's not like Qantas doesn't have all that data already. They made the rules that people are playing by.

Even without "bragging" about it, Qantas would know just how many WP's are accessing the lounge before a JQd segment, and how many of them are using their guest entitlement.

 

[harvyk]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

I've never done one myself, being based in CBR but always wanted to.

Just think of it as been a big day out for us CBR'ens. It's more than possible to do CBR-SYD-MEL-CBR in a day and get in some good FLounging time

Whilst I can certainly understand why QF might be a little annoyed at the prospect that someone is enjoying the FLounge for a total of say $29 after a TT price match, it is in my opinion very narrow sighted of them.

Ignoring things like using YUPPs how much has each WP (or better) actually paid for the privilege of gaining access in the first place? I would bet that the large majority of those WP's or better would have a travel spend in the five figures range, perhaps even higher.

So assuming for instance that a person has spent $20,000 with your airline, surely the loss you'd made from their visit to the FLounge using a Dom from Int flight is going to be completely offset by the $20,000 they have given your airline for the other real flights they have done over the course of a year.

 

[SQ421]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

How often people doing runs that would constitute abuse though? As far as I'm aware, there's only been one, maybe two this year. And you have to be WP to gain access, that's a lot of QF spend so they certainly aren't low revenue pax.

To be fair, getting to WP only needs OneWorld spend, *not* QF spend (besides what's required to get 4~). But even that, is a function of the rules Qantas lays out or, as part of being in the OneWorld alliance, agrees to abide by.

 

[harvyk]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

To be fair, getting to WP only needs OneWorld spend, *not* QF spend (besides what's required to get 4~). But even that, is a function of the rules Qantas lays out or, as part of being in the OneWorld alliance, agrees to abide by.

I would take a guess that the large majority of WP's are WP's with a significant QF spend. I would also take a guess that most people outside the AFF community who sign up for loyalty programs would sign up for the loyalty program of the airline they are planning on flying.

 

[SQ421]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

I would take a guess that the large majority of WP's are WP's with a significant QF spend.

True. I am the minority here.

Oops, is that "rubbing it in" ?

 

[smit0847]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

I'm amazed the access on JQ dom has gone on as long as it has. Some people rort this to within an inch of its life. The QF F Lounge should be for QF and OW intl flights, not $10 LCC legs.

 

[SQ421]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

Some people rort this to within an inch of its life. The QF F Lounge should be for QF and OW intl flights, not $10 LCC legs.

Nothing wrong with the game being played by the very rules Qantas (and its subsidiaries) have laid down.


Rort
noun - a fraudulent or dishonest act or practice
verb - [with object] work (a system) to obtain the greatest benefit while remaining within the letter of the law.

 

[nlagalle]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

I'm amazed the access on JQ dom has gone on as long as it has. Some people rort this to within an inch of its life. The QF F Lounge should be for QF and OW intl flights, not $10 LCC legs.

We don't see this being "rorted" t an inch of it's life.. it may happen once or twice a year where people do a lounge run.

 

[harvyk]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

I'm amazed the access on JQ dom has gone on as long as it has. Some people rort this to within an inch of its life. The QF F Lounge should be for QF and OW intl flights, not $10 LCC legs.

Sure there are going to be some people who use these flights on $10 flights to get from SYD-MEL vv every time, but they would be in the minority for sure.

1. You only have 1 flight per day between SYD-MEL, not exactly convenient in terms of scheduling.
2. You have to deal with customs / immi every time you used it
3. You still need to maintain WP status somehow. From memory those $10 price match flights do not include FF points or the all important SC's. Unless you do some real flights with QF in conjunction with JQ runs, this rort will only last a year at most.

Me thinks that QF bean counters have cottoned onto the fact that this exists as an option and are having a heart attack without looking at the big picture. The fact remains that to use this rort you still need to somehow make WP first. A couple of discount Y flights will not get you even close to been able to partake.

 

[Alanslegal]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

1. WPs and above who are high value to QF will continue to bring in revenue to QF, with or without the JQ passengers utilising the facilities in the F Lounge.

2. It's not about protecting important QF fliers but getting rid of the 'perception' that there are 'poor' JQ fliers in the lounge.

3. It's not about over-crowding either because only a handful of JQi passengers use the lounge. I have offered guesting friends into the F Lounge and those irregular fliers couldn't care less about the F Lounge, even if on a $10.00 ticket - and those $10.00 ticket days are loonnnnnnnnng gone.

4. WP status is earnt, well it may be four operated flights, but think about those 1400/1200SC one has to earn that QF happily accepts. Someone is paying QF, and that WP is still doing some decent flying for QF's benefit.

5. Any publicity is good publicity and a first timer in the F Lounge, will always have good things to say about that lounge. So that first timer now decides to blow all of their points on ASA's and more, to make it to WP so they can enjoy the F Lounge a few times a year. Now, it takes alot of points and ASA runs to make it to QF ...... and that's revenue to QF.

6. Based on point 5, I worked out the figures and in my situation I would have to blow over 250K points and $ to get to WP. I value my points at 3cents each, so that's $7,500 worth of points for a handful of visits into the F Lounge, not worth it in my books. QF probably values the points at a third of what I do, so that's $2,500 to them, for a handful of visits to the F Lounge. Now, don't point out that those 250K did indeed pay for those 20 or so QF sectors and that cost something. That's true, but YM released those ASAs seats and calculated it was their worthwhile to "sell" those seats.

 

[footy99]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

Can someone point me to this 3-months notice clause?

I've got 3 of these still to come this year and just want to make sure they are safe.

If they do remove the Flounge privileges for these runs next year, surely that means no domestic traveller will have any interest at all in retaining WP again. We still have to travel between SYD and MEL all the time. The trade-off QF WP/VA nothing vs QF SG/VA SG is very close with these options available, but an absolute no-brainer without them.

It's not a huge loss, just means dividing loyalty.

 

[harvyk]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

2. It's not about protecting important QF fliers but getting rid of the 'perception' that there are 'poor' JQ fliers in the lounge.

This could be the reason... There is certainly a lot to be said for perception, and JQ certainly has a bogan bus feel about it which is hardly the image of First class.

Of course there is always the risk that with all our idea's floating around here, QF will see this thread and say "wait a minute, those AFFer are making some damn fine points, maybe we should kick JQ out of the FLounge".

Of course lest we forget, this is still only at "the employer of a cousin of a friend said" stage, hardly a concrete source... QF have yet to make any official announcements.

 

[docjames]

re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

I think we can debunk 1st Jan as the effective date on the basis of three months notice being needed!

I certainly wouldn't rely on the "3 months notice" if you recall the dropping of BA status earn or lounge access.....