Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

In the end, it still doesn't quite address the core question - the cost of operating lounges. Of course, F and WP pax have (usually) paid a rather substantial amount of money to QF, and, as my dad likes to joke, that the benefits were all prepaid when I flew with the airline. However, for itineraries of a very low cost, eg. SYD-MEL on JQi, it's plausible that the marginal cost of providing the benefit would exceed the money paid for the flight. I'm not saying this is abusing the system, but obviously, this isn't sustainable, and you would have other F and WP pax effectively subsidising the benefits. And I've been guilty of that as well, drinking up the value of the flight ticket even before I got to the gate.

However, I think it would be in the best interest of everyone to have a sustainable model of operation. Yes, some people might miss out, but it is basically an elitist world - with the best resources reserved for the most valuable people. In that sense, I think SQ has worked this out quite well with a much more segregated system of lounges. I'm not suggesting this is the best approach for QF, but I suppose everything is worth looking at to help reduce costs, hopefully without angering too many people at the same time.

lounge access doesn't seem to be an issue. the determining factor has been stated as the provision of popular on-board items and the contents of the amenity kit.

on time performance, quality of on board hard product, consistent excellence in customer service, seamless travel or even lounges... these don't seem to be recognised as being of importance... only the amenity kit and 'popular on board products' seem to count?

 

[boomy]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Would their behaviour/attitude have anything to do with it?

The WP's & P1's who visit the QF F lounge are the same ones who you see in other J & F lounges.
Their behaviour doesn't change once they bought a JQ ticket.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

The WP's & P1's who visit the QF F lounge are the same ones who you see in other J & F lounges.
Their behaviour doesn't change once they bought a JQ ticket.

indeed. very good point. Maybe some will listen? But I doubt it.

 

[cove]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

If Jetstar was asked to pay for their customers getting into the F lounge I think the change would be swift. There is a view rightly or wrongly by many Qantas staff that Jetstar pays for bugger all and that is how Jetstar is more profitable than it really is.
I have heard these comments regularly and it looks like AJ wouldn't want Jetstar to pay $50 or $100 per entry per person to get their flyers into the F lounge.

 

[samh004]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

If Jetstar was asked to pay for their customers getting into the F lounge I think the change would be swift. There is a view rightly or wrongly by many Qantas staff that Jetstar pays for bugger all and that is how Jetstar is more profitable than it really is.
I have heard these comments regularly and it looks like AJ wouldn't want Jetstar to pay $50 or $100 per entry per person to get their flyers into the F lounge.

The J lounge, with less frills, would still be costly/add up. No use just singling one lounge out.

 

[Kangol]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

The J lounge, with less frills, would still be costly/add up. No use just singling one lounge out.

The free pour alcohol might make it even more expensive.. at least in the F lounge they can have some "control" over what you drink.

Quick, get the WPs out of the J lounge and into F!!

 

[Timba-Jet]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Would be dissappointed if JQd access to F lounge is removed, a nice little perk for WP's, but fair enough IF QF decide to do this in the future.

As a general comment, I still don't understand why some people are so anti JQ. It serves a purpose and if the price is right, I will consider it. Always had ok to good service on board.

Have never noticed any issues by lounge staff towards me when flying JQ. Beyond the reception desk when you need to show your BP, once inside most staff would not know what flight you are on. Though sometimes when dining you sere asked for flight details, so they know when you need to finish your meal.

Once I was with 2 other QP members so I decided to join them in the J lounge, the Angels there saw my WP card and immediately suggested I could enjoy the F lounge.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

The J lounge, with less frills, would still be costly/add up. No use just singling one lounge out.

I wonder how many of those WP's and guests who currently use int JQ domestic tag flights for day and weekend trips and general lounging would use the same tag flights to get into the int J Lounge??

 

[samh004]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

I wonder how many of those WP's and guests who currently use int JQ domestic tag flights for day and weekend trips and general lounging would use the same tag flights to get into the int J Lounge??

Could argue there are more SG's and QP members than WP and above that would use the J lounge. Not sure why.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Could argue there are more SG's and QP members than WP and above that would use the J lounge. Not sure why.

I don't know the numbers and suspect will be difficult to find out that information. I would be very surprised if many (maybe even any) of those currently able to access the int J Lounges do JQ domestic tag flights to use the int Lounges.

 

[gizzard]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

I wonder how many of those WP's and guests who currently use int JQ domestic tag flights for day and weekend trips and general lounging would use the same tag flights to get into the int J Lounge??

Definitely for standard (non-"lounging"?), it's a much shorter walk to the gate than it is from the SYD J lounge to a JQ flight and you can get flight departure information far more easily too. In fact, the removal of the T2 lounge in SYD could make it even more likely that the international lounges will be used.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Definitely for standard (non-"lounging"?), it's a much shorter walk to the gate than it is from the SYD J lounge to a JQ flight and you can get flight departure information far more easily too. In fact, the removal of the T2 lounge in SYD could make it even more likely that the international lounges will be used.

I actually think it's much more likely that a QF domestic flight will be booked.
YMMV

 

[boomy]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

I actually think it's much more likely that a QF domestic flight will be booked.
YMMV

I will take a wild guess here and say that those who fly JQ do it because they are much cheaper.
A change in terminals will not make them pay extra to fly QF.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

I will take a wild guess here and say that those who fly JQ do it because they are much cheaper.
A change in terminals will not make them pay extra to fly QF.

For the majority of pax I agree with you. I think the majority of WP pax flying JQ domestic from the int terminal are not doing so because it's cheaper.
This is the group I was referring to.

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Definitely for standard (non-"lounging"?), it's a much shorter walk to the gate than it is from the SYD J lounge to a JQ flight and you can get flight departure information far more easily too. In fact, the removal of the T2 lounge in SYD could make it even more likely that the international lounges will be used.

If anything i would have said it is slightly longer, but only 50 metres or so. They are next door to each other.

I don't think I have ever been into the J lounge. :shock: I guess that is one excuse for a run.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

I will take a wild guess here and say that those who fly JQ do it because they are much cheaper.
A change in terminals will not make them pay extra to fly QF.

JQ is not always cheaper. Having flown MCY-SYD-MCY weekly for 4 years JQ can be hundreds more than QF.

 

[gizzard]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

If anything i would have said it is slightly longer, but only 50 metres or so. They are next door to each other.

I don't think I have ever been into the J lounge. :shock: I guess that is one excuse for a run.

Do you think so? To walk from T3 in SYD across to T2, face the weather, negotiate security and then head to the JQ gate and all of this without knowing the flight status until you reach T2. Personally, I would prefer to be in the same terminal, have the flight called when it's ready for boarding or be able to view the boards and, even if it is a long way to the gate, at least there are some moving walkways.

Add in the perk of J lounge for SG and F for WP, rather than QP (SG) or J (WP) lounge and it's even more tempting if travelling JQ to head to T3 if the flight departure time suits.

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Do you think so? To walk from T3 in SYD across to T2, face the weather, negotiate security and then head to the JQ gate and all of this without knowing the flight status until you reach T2. Personally, I would prefer to be in the same terminal, have the flight called when it's ready for boarding or be able to view the boards and, even if it is a long way to the gate, at least there are some moving walkways.

Add in the perk of J lounge for SG and F for WP, rather than QP (SG) or J (WP) lounge and it's even more tempting if travelling JQ to head to T3 if the flight departure time suits.

Ahhh, you are talking about the domestic J lounge!

This thread is about the international F lounge access for WP on JQi tag flights, where international J lounge access was offered as an alternative suggestion by a couple of posters.

 

[gizzard]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

We have some crossed wires here. I was responding to an earlier post (#148). However, I still believe that even if the rumour had been true I think that the J lounge in T1 is still a better option than QP or J lounge in T3 for JQ passengers for the reasons given even if no longer tempting for a lounge-run.

Ahhh, you are talking about the domestic J lounge!

This thread is about the international F lounge access for WP on JQi tag flights, where international J lounge access was offered as an alternative suggestion by a couple of posters.

 

[Grooba]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

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