(rumour) QFi to withdraw from Perth

[markis10]

Maybe J was just full on QF. Maybe he could only leave London after a certain time and QF didn't match his needs. I have a one hour connect LHR-SIN-PER later in the year, maybe that was offered and he wasn't comfortable with it. (I'd be worried about it anywhere other than SIN)

Considering QF only offer options for LHR departures in the evening, getting into PER at close to 1AM two days later, I am not surprised that people are looking elsewhere.

 

[jetlagger]

Geez.. I'm glad I reside & commute to & from the east coast of OZ... The whole PER experience sounds very underwhelming, whether it is flight timings/choice, lounge &/or airport offerings.. With all the apparent prosperity in WA... Thought transport infrastructure & offerings should be up & above 2012 world standards.. Just a thought

 

[chrisb]

Considering QF only offer options for LHR departures in the evening, getting into PER at close to 1AM two days later, I am not surprised that people are looking elsewhere.

Hey, that's what I'm booked on!! We're Arriving at 12.40am on New Year's Day too. .

 

[dajop]

It is because of you East Coast types these times exist in PER. QF is built around the Kangaroo route, not Asia. L

I think this sums it up. They simply don't want to/won't/can't make day flights from Asia to Australia within the group work. Simple. Even Jetstar's PEK-SIN-MEL has to wait in SIN for 12 hrs to catch the overnight in wave into Australia, instead of being creative enough to continue on and allow people a civilised day flight into MEL. PER is no different. I guess the early evening QF departure to PER is the standout in this context, it is not overnight.

 

[jetlagger]

I think this sums it up. They simply don't want to/won't/can't make day flights from Asia to Australia within the group work. Simple. Even Jetstar's PEK-SIN-MEL has to wait in SIN for 12 hrs to catch the overnight in wave into Australia, instead of being creative enough to continue on and allow people a civilised day flight into MEL. PER is no different. I guess the early evening QF departure to PER is the standout in this context, it is not overnight.

Mmm... That seems to be some sort of 1970's Socialist Corporation Thinking, Planning & Execution... Sounds like... ??

 

[chrisb]

This week the news is reporting that Perth has the highest concentration of British outside Britain. There are thousands of kiwis here. Why can't QF make that work better?

 

[SeatBackForward]

This week the news is reporting that Perth has the highest concentration of British outside Britain. There are thousands of kiwis here. Why can't QF make that work better?

Cause they're waiting for more Orange paint.

 

[docjames]

Here's a thought for QFi - use a 787 LHR-SIN-PER and vv leaving in the morning ex-LHR (rather than evening). Combine with an east coast 787 or A330 xx_-SIN-xx_ and offer something pax want. Then you dont have the over-capacity issue of a 744/380 on that route.

But of course, why offer what customers want? And the 787s are going to the orange cancer anyway.

 

[ajw373]

Not odd at all, your assuming he was flying QF to SIN, then trying to connect, obviously the person caught another service that got him into SIN early AM (SQ317). Previously there was a flight with similar timings that connected nicely to PER, I used to catch the day flight to PER myself then connect through to BNE to avoid a night flight!

Correct that was what I was assuming. One would think if he was flying a different carrier LHR-SIN then it would have been a no brainer to continue on with that carrier, so why whinge that there is a long wait!

 

[oz_mark]

I think this sums it up. They simply don't want to/won't/can't make day flights from Asia to Australia within the group work. Simple. Even Jetstar's PEK-SIN-MEL has to wait in SIN for 12 hrs to catch the overnight in wave into Australia, instead of being creative enough to continue on and allow people a civilised day flight into MEL. PER is no different.

I suspect the issue is that the flight really originates and terminates in SIN, rather than in MEL or PEK.

 

[markis10]

Correct that was what I was assuming. One would think if he was flying a different carrier LHR-SIN then it would have been a no brainer to continue on with that carrier, so why whinge that there is a long wait!

More likely the person is lamenting when you could do that with QF (leave AM LHR and get into PER at a decent hour).

 

[JohnM]

Geez.. I'm glad I reside & commute to & from the east coast of OZ... The whole PER experience sounds very underwhelming, whether it is flight timings/choice, lounge &/or airport offerings.. With all the apparent prosperity in WA... Thought transport infrastructure & offerings should be up & above 2012 world standards.. Just a thought

It's like just about everything over here: overwhelmed by the rapid changes.

 

[BD1959]

This week the news is reporting that Perth has the highest concentration of British outside Britain. There are thousands of kiwis here. Why can't QF make that work better?

Because "Brits" does not equate to "London".

QF seem to point to cost as the pure reason that passengers are deserting them in droves for the ME carriers (and soon to be Chinese); that is one factor but just as important is the convenience of a "local airport". Not everyone wants a 6hr drive to LHR, pay exhorbitant parking charges etc. Similarly, not everyone looks forward to sitting on the M25 in the morning peak having just flown in from Australia and with another 200 miles of driving ahead.

EK long ago realised that if you can attack the UK regional market with cheap airfares, that the market will later withstand prices similar to QF's once you've established the regional identity.

QF complain that they cannot sustain the UK destinations that the likes of EK can - and they shouldn't be expected to. What they never appeared to do was play EK at their own game of discounting to a regional airport and then building up their prices once they'd established that market. May be they never had the right aircraft for SIN/GLA, afterall it appears they haven't the right aircraft for LHR given their partial withdrawal from that market.

Regards,

BD

 

[ajw373]

Because "Brits" does not equate to "London".

QF seem to point to cost as the pure reason that passengers are deserting them in droves for the ME carriers (and soon to be Chinese); that is one factor but just as important is the convenience of a "local airport". Not everyone wants a 6hr drive to LHR, pay exhorbitant parking charges etc. Similarly, not everyone looks forward to sitting on the M25 in the morning peak having just flown in from Australia and with another 200 miles of driving ahead.

EK long ago realised that if you can attack the UK regional market with cheap airfares, that the market will later withstand prices similar to QF's once you've established the regional identity.

QF complain that they cannot sustain the UK destinations that the likes of EK can - and they shouldn't be expected to. What they never appeared to do was play EK at their own game of discounting to a regional airport and then building up their prices once they'd established that market. May be they never had the right aircraft for SIN/GLA, afterall it appears they haven't the right aircraft for LHR given their partial withdrawal from that market.

Regards,

BD

I think Qantas realises that it is more than price that is driving passengers to ME and Asian carriers, they also realise that they cannot be everything to everyone so have concentrated on the routes that they can effectivly serve. Where they have made mistakes is their choice in partners, I would hazzard a guess if they joined Star rather than being OneWorld you would see less of Thai and SQ and more flights by Qantas to Singapore and Bangkok.

With regards to servicing Europe their best chance is feeding into MH, who I beleive serve secondary UK ports. But guess the Qantas bashers won't like that because they want Qantas to fly them from their little towns to any destination in the world.

 

[dajop]

With regards to servicing Europe their best chance is feeding into MH, who I beleive serve secondary UK ports.

MH only UK port is LHR. At the moment the only European destination they add, not already served in a single stop by oneworld from Australia, is IST. What the really bring to the alliance is more in Asia and SE Asia in particular.

 

[docjames]

MH only UK port is LHR. At the moment the only European destination they add, not already served in a single stop by oneworld from Australia, is IST. What the really bring to the alliance is more in Asia and SE Asia in particular.

Bearing in mind, for the consumer, more than one option is a good thing for multiple reasons (price and schedule being two of the biggies). So AMS, CDG etc keeps CX "honest".

 

[markis10]

Bearing in mind, for the consumer, more than one option is a good thing for multiple reasons (price and schedule being two of the biggies). So AMS, CDG etc keeps CX "honest".

You can imagine what a code share with Qatar would do for keeping CX honest given their route network into the EU. Had to laugh at the recent master chef episodes in Italy how they mentioned QF was flying them home!

 

[ajw373]

Bearing in mind, for the consumer, more than one option is a good thing for multiple reasons (price and schedule being two of the biggies). So AMS, CDG etc keeps CX "honest".

Also bear in mind that Cathay has not been overly active in terms of co-operation with other OneWorld members, especially Qantas and BA. So other options, closer to home as well are good. Interesting that MH only fly to LHR in the UK. I had thought they flew to Manchester.

 

[docjames]

You can imagine what a code share with Qatar would do for keeping CX honest givent their route network into the EU.

True, as well as some of their ME destinations.

 

[ajw373]

You can imagine what a code share with Qatar would do for keeping CX honest given their route network into the EU. Had to laugh at the recent master chef episodes in Italy how they mentioned QF was flying them home!

They did most of the way, via LHR of course.