The End of Cheap Status

[JohnM]

This is purely an observation, but each flight booking would contain a bunch of data points such as 'original_booking_date', 'original_flight_date' and 'flight_taken_date'. The points/loyalty tables reference would point to the table which was active under the 'original_booking_date', and thus you should receive credit as per the status credit/points earning table as of your original booking date.

Now, however, if Qantas isn't set up like this - it would be terribly inefficent and would make changing status/points earning tables a nightmare internally.

Internal IT efficiency is what makes me think from a tech perspective that your flight will credit as per when you initially made a reservation.

I don't know whether this experience of mine will have any bearing on matters, but the A321T was introduced between when I booked a SFO-JFK sector as part of a DONE5 and when I flew. I still ended up in F and still in 1A . No hint of any change being attempted.

 

[serfty]

I "fear" (no not really "fear", more like "expect") the worst.

QF earning when it's all said and done is based on fare bucket of the segments traveled on.

ORC is generally fine in the case of IROPS, but this is different - especially since it is a partner making the change. (When QFF reduced earning for 400 mile and under flights in the USA, they did advise on this site that any affected segments ticketed before the announcement would earn as per the rate present when ticketed.)

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Personally, I'd prefer status was harder to get. It's very annoying being in a First Class Lounge full of passengers travelling in economy class eating and drinking as much as they can before they board their aircraft and head to the back of the plane.

Doing 11 domestic sectors in the USA to attain status so you can sit in a First Class Lounge on a $39 JQ ticket is of absolutely zero value to Qantas.

IMHO, all airlines would be better off only allowing those travelling in the most premium cabin on any particular flight to utilise the first class lounges. There are business class lounges for others.

*facepalm*

Shall I wear my cravat and three-piece suit next time I'm in SYD F?

 

[exceladdict]

Though I presume you will have a BP that doesn't have first on it.

According to the earlier linked memo, the cabin name remains as "first" so we may have to wait and see.

American Airlines Memo Details New Fare Booking Classes to Support Sale of Premium Economy - View from the Wing

 

[serfty]

It will certainly be murky. I presume if your original booking said "first", your original ticket said A, P or F and your boarding pass says "first" you'd have a very good case for ORC.

Though I presume you will have a BP that doesn't have first on it.

According to the earlier linked memo, the cabin name remains as "first" so we may have to wait and see.

Showing "First" is likely not relevant since AA BP's have in addition shown the underlying booking fare bucket for as long as I can remember.

I can envisage BPs showing "First" with class D ...

 

[exceladdict]

Though I presume you will have a BP that doesn't have first on it.

Showing "First" is likely not relevant since AA BP's have in addition shown the underlying booking fare bucket for as long as I can remember.

I can envisage BPs showing "First" with class D ...

If only it worked both ways... I had a BA boarding pass on AY stock that I originally booked in to S or O off memory - but printed, it showed economy in class C. Qantas certainly weren't interested in giving me J SCs when I asked.

 

[Princess Fiona]

If only it worked both ways... I had a BA boarding pass on AY stock that I originally booked in to S or O off memory - but printed, it showed economy in class C. Qantas certainly weren't interested in giving me J SCs when I asked.

All BA Domestic BP I have show C Class on the BP. Only those actually booked as Business UK credit to QF as J fares. Never had to chase one up. There's definitely some stuff behind the scenes that goes on apart from a code on a BP.

 

[hossein_au]

I "fear" (no not really "fear", more like "expect") the worst.

QF earning when it's all said and done is based on fare bucket of the segments traveled on.

ORC is generally fine in the case of IROPS, but this is different - especially since it is a partner making the change. (When QFF reduced earning for 400 mile and under flights in the USA, they did advise on this site that any affected segments ticketed before the announcement would earn as per the rate present when ticketed.)

I don't think any of these arguments are relevant: AA has said tickets must be re-issued when the new fare buckets go into effect. They further said travel agents will receive notification to reissue each and every ticket under their control (as owner of the PNRs). If a TA fails to reissue a ticket prior to departure, the ticket will be reissued by AA as part of the check in process (as AA takes over the ownership during check in). A ticket re-"issued" in J/C/I fare bucket will be credited as such. ORC will not affect the earn as the ticket will have been issued in J/C/I.

 

[Kangol]

I don't think any of these arguments are relevant: AA has said tickets must be re-issued when the new fare buckets go into effect. They further said travel agents will receive notification to reissue each and every ticket under their control (as owner of the PNRs). If a TA fails to reissue a ticket prior to departure, the ticket will be reissued by AA as part of the check in process (as AA takes over the ownership during check in). A ticket re-"issued" in J/C/I fare bucket will be credited as such. ORC will not affect the earn as the ticket will have been issued in J/C/I.

That what the "O" in ORC is for....

 

[drron]

That what the "O" in ORC is for....

But the R doesn't change.Need both O and R to get C

 

[Kangol]

But the R doesn't change.Need both O and R to get C

You could look at it as "the route between point A and point B in booking class [insert code]".
Or even "the terms of the contract when the ticket was originally booked".

 

[hossein_au]

That what the "O" in ORC is for....

If a ticket is re-issued, the O is reset to the newly issued ticket (as the initial voucher is deemed void).

(hey, I'm playing the devil's advocate here... I think it is way too easy, in this case, to decline an ORC)

 

[hossein_au]

You could look at it as "the route between point A and point B in booking class [insert code]".
Or even "the terms of the contract when the ticket was originally booked".

I think the 'class of service' in the T&C merely refers to the cabin (e.g. first class cabin). You'll still be carried from point A to point B, in the same routing, in the same cabin. I don't think there is anything in the T&C that entitles you to a certain number of frequent flyer points or SCs.

 

[madrooster]

If a ticket is re-issued, the O is reset to the newly issued ticket (as the initial voucher is deemed void). (hey, I'm playing the devil's advocate here... I think it is way too easy, in this case, to decline an ORC)

Original means initial ticket issued in industry terms. So basically whatever the original routing was, as per the initially issued ticket, is what you would normally claim using ORC.

 

[Kangol]

I think the 'class of service' in the T&C merely refers to the cabin (e.g. first class cabin). You'll still be carried from point A to point B, in the same routing, in the same cabin. I don't think there is anything in the T&C that entitles you to a certain number of frequent flyer points or SCs.

When you buy a ticket in an eligible earning class, you not only buy the transport from point A to B, but also the food and drink, checked baggage, lounge access and priority check-in/security (where applicable) and the points/miles/SCs.

There are instances on other carriers where the ticket specifically excludes such components: ie. no points/SCs, no included checked baggage etc.

I'd say this is no different to certain aspects of consumer law..

 

[drron]

When you buy a ticket in an eligible earning class, you not only buy the transport from point A to B, but also the food and drink, checked baggage, lounge access and priority check-in/security (where applicable) and the points/miles/SCs.

There are instances on other carriers where the ticket specifically excludes such components: ie. no points/SCs, no included checked baggage etc.

I'd say this is no different to certain aspects of consumer law..

But you have bought an Australian ticket which has been changed by an American company.You are out of luck.
Despite all the arguments anyone wishes to put up at the end of the day from the date of change you are going to get J points and SCs.Best to worry about something you can change.

 

[NZ_Flyer]

The only thing to do is for someone to test it - book First, have ticket reissued into Business booking class, receive J SC's and points and then put in ORC's for First to QF and see the outcome and see how far you want to push it if they stick to Business class as the ORC. Who volunteers...?

 

[Kangol]

But you have bought an Australian ticket which has been changed by an American company.You are out of luck.
Despite all the arguments anyone wishes to put up at the end of the day from the date of change you are going to get J points and SCs.Best to worry about something you can change.

Who says these tickets are Australian?
Who is worrying?

I don't know what the outcome will be, and neither do you.

 

[Dannyism]

So I guess DCA - MCO (Washington to orlando connecting through Charlotte) next year I'll just have to see if it's better SC value flying First or Main Cabin..

 

[DC3]

Buying through AA.com would be a USA issued ticket, would it not? Not sure that it would matter though.