The End of Cheap Status

[ftm]

I don't think Qantas are making any retrospective changes?

The QF codeshares always booked into a Business Class fare bucket, so they won't change. It's just the AA flight numbers that are being amended. It hasn't happened to all flights yet, but I expect it will gradually change over for everything in the coming weeks.

 

[serfty]

My A class flights are now in D class.

 

[shadowground]

My AA Domestic First Flights for July 2017 were previously booked into P have now been relabeled as Business (I) on Qantas MMB.

This is a bit disappointing as it means a fair cut in SC's. Any idea how QF whether QF will honour original booked SC's prior to this change?

 

[ausfox]

I received notice our First bookings in April are now Bus D. I suppose I have to accept this and then request original booking credits. Is this the correct approach?

 

[Kangol]

I received notice our First bookings in April are now Bus D. I suppose I have to accept this and then request original booking credits. Is this the correct approach?

Yes, because they probably won't voluntarily give you them at the F rate

 

[exceladdict]

What kind of comment from Red Roo would be deemed useful or imperative?

Whether this will get ORC:

My A class flights are now in D class.

I received notice our First bookings in April are now Bus D. I suppose I have to accept this and then request original booking credits. Is this the correct approach?

 

[moa999]

Your routing hasn't changed...
And I suspect QF has no way of telling whether you originally purchased a F/A/P ticket for J/C/I/D and I suspect AA will only be reimbursing QF for a J ticket

I suspect you would have rights to a refund from AA.

 

[Himeno]

I'm done with my US flights for this year, so these changes haven't effected me. But I've been thinking about next year...

I normally get oneworld RTW tickets, the "extra" flights within the US are normally on the cheapest available fare buckets that earn points (often O or Q).
I had been avoiding the newish A321T transcons in order to get the 2 class book into A on the DONE3s, but that rule is likely to disappear with these changes. I had also been avoiding booking the QF codeshares, as they booked into D, even on the 2 class flights where the AA code would book into A.

Now that the AA code will book into D on such flights, I guess I no longer need to actively avoid the domestic US 3 class flights or the QF codeshares.
Am I correct in thinking that booking under the QF codeshare in D will earn more SC then booking AA D on the same flight?

 

[anat0l]

Whether this will get ORC:

I think it would be better for those questions to at least be expressed more explicitly, perhaps even PMed to Red Roo if necessary (though my suspicions are that it will be forwarded to Qantas Loyalty for direct reply).


From my personal judgement, I doubt that those affected are entitled to the credits of the original booking, unless perhaps their booking was done entirely through Qantas, on Qantas stock.

 

[JohnM]

My only A class flight (ORD-LAX) of six AA flights in a DONE5 early next year has now been re-graded to D. Four of the others were already D because of going into the Caribbean and the other was D on the LAX-JFK transcon. Makes insufficient difference to me to consider claiming ORC.

 

[CaptJCool]

News & Commercial Alerts

the official word
only affects first class reservations on 50 domestic flights from 11 Jan 2017

 

[JohnK]

Yes, because they probably won't voluntarily give you them at the F rate

I don't think Qantas will honour original routing credit. This is not a Qantas change.

 

[serfty]

Basically it represents a 33% reduction in SC earn on two class flight domestic AA flights for thse booed in "First".

It changes one booking I have from $1.70 per SC to $2.30 ... still better than can generally be done around Oz.

 

[DC3]

I don't think Qantas will honour original routing credit. This is not a Qantas change.

... although Qantas has never been responsible for changes leading to a number of ORC claims by me (all AA flights), ORC has always been honoured by QFF. One happened to be a flight that was replaced by all-economy seating, from the original two class. So, it's possible.

 

[drron]

Basically it represents a 33% reduction in SC earn on two class flight domestic AA flights for thse booed in "First".

It changes one booking I have from $1.70 per SC to $2.30 ... still better than can generally be done around Oz.

I have sometimes wanted to boo someone in First but have never seen it done.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

... although Qantas has never been responsible for changes leading to a number of ORC claims by me (all AA flights), ORC has always been honoured by QFF. One happened to be a flight that was replaced by all-economy seating, from the original two class. So, it's possible.

i'd agree it's worth trying, but the concept of ORC is to protect passengers in the event IRROPS disrupt travel plans. In this case there is no substitution, no change of plans, and the passenger has voluntarily decided to continue with their flights and tickets. I can see arguments on both sides.

 

[Cool Cat Phil]

So with these AA changes In fare buckets now confirmed, am I correct in thinking that the only Domestic sectors that earn actually " First" status credits ( ie "A" or "F" 'fare bucket) are the domestic Transcontinential routes ( Ie LAX > JFK)!

 

[moa999]

Would think so

 

[ausfox]

I spoke to AA by phone today and the operater assured me that the shift was to a 2 cabin a/c into first/business and that I would still accrue status credits as booked. I will just have to wait and see I suppose.

 

[Himeno]

I've just flown AA JFK-DFW-PDX-LAX-DCA-DTW-DFW between Oct 22 and Nov 6. All in First (A), except for DCA-DTW due to single class aircraft.
QFF has credited them as Flexible Economy with 4100 fewer points and 380 fewer status credits then I was meant to get.