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For a long time it has annoyed me that we can do this to our pets & animals but not to ourselves or loved ones. In some instances, keeping a person alive is prolonging their pain & making things harder for those who are caring for them.

Insight on SBS at 8.30 tonight has a very interesting topic in relation to this, would you want to be told how long you live and how do you live once sentenced as such. I suspect its not something most would think about if not in the position.

http://www.sbs.com.au/insight/episode/overview/587/Knowing-You-re-Dying#.UorJI8saySM

“Getting a terminal diagnosis sends you into turmoil in the beginning but then you run out of milk and bread and you realise that the grocery shopping still needs to be done.” – Connie Johnson

I suspect many here would take the travel option if in a position to do so.
 
Insight on SBS at 8.30 tonight has a very interesting topic in relation to this, would you want to be told how long you live and how do you live once sentenced as such. I suspect its not something most would think about if not in the position.

Knowing You're Dying: Overview : SBS Insight



I suspect many here would take the travel option if in a position to do so.

I know I would take that option. In fact, I take it now as I am going to die one day ;).

On a less flippant note, cove and Mrscove the other night drew my attention to Advance Health Directives eg: Advance Health Directives. I am intending to fill one out.
 
I think QLD got some inspiration from your state's laws.

As for the death toll still rising, not sure about that one. I thought the death toll was more related to an increase in crime in SA, not necessarily traffic related.

The road death toll is 10 higher than same time last year. Which is about 15% higher.

Yes, we shared our love of hoons. :p
 
I am yet to receive a speeding fine when riding Uber, but I keep trying...


My last speeding fine as a driver was back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Age and experience has made me a more cautious driver, and a less frequent driver.
 
First time I have been offered this discount which was a surprise.

If I am caught for speeding it is not because I speed intentionally but more to do with me not realising I have gone slightly over the speed limit.

hmmm. does that make it even worse?? :shock::confused:
 
Slightly OT - Local ABC morning radio was pretty vocal about this sentence.... P-plate driver using iPhone who killed man walks free | Sunshine Coast Daily

Suggestions along the lines that if the fellow was an Aussie she would have been handed a different sentence......but it might have been the retention of the best legal team money can buy!

i didn't get any such feeling from the article.

however I don't think we've heard the end of this one. it appears to defy logic.
 
i didn't get any such feeling from the article.

however I don't think we've heard the end of this one. it appears to defy logic.

Local ABC radio was peddling the line regarding nationality coming into play. All round sad story.....particularly the young girl being picked up for repeating the same stupid thing 5 months later!
 
Slightly OT - Local ABC morning radio was pretty vocal about this sentence.... P-plate driver using iPhone who killed man walks free | Sunshine Coast Daily

Suggestions along the lines that if the fellow was an Aussie she would have been handed a different sentence......but it might have been the retention of the best legal team money can buy!

And I notice the use of 'character witness reports'.

In my view they should have no place in our legal system. There have been doozies over the years - especially in relation to pedophiles and 'high profile' business people. How can a subjective opinion be considered evidence? The first thing that 'groomer'-style people are most adept at is the art of deluding those around them (and themselves). I suggest that the capacity for producing a 'good' character report is also positively correlated with wealth.
 
Slightly OT - Local ABC morning radio was pretty vocal about this sentence.... P-plate driver using iPhone who killed man walks free | Sunshine Coast Daily

Suggestions along the lines that if the fellow was an Aussie she would have been handed a different sentence......but it might have been the retention of the best legal team money can buy!

I'm surprised by the remark by the judge
I do not believe society's interests would be served by sending you to jail
I'd like to know how this kind of statement is even possibly justified, except through prejudice or lack of character.

I hope at least a conviction is recorded against her. At the end of the day, she killed someone. People who are charged with manslaughter and negligence are jailed for less.

I'm glad in a way "she showed remorse" but that is hardly commensurate to her being punished for the act. That only attempts to patch things up with the affected family.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if she's being victimised / sent death threats / etc.. Let alone having her name splashed around the media in disgust is not likely to be promising for any of her further public pursuits.

The story was also mentioned this morning on 97.3 FM radio in Brisbane. There wasn't any particular opinion passed on it, but the breakfast team did share "What would it take for you to stop using your mobile phone whilst driving". Apparently one of the team almost caused a fatality herself.
 
Wild storm through Gold Coast this afternoon. :shock:
Fortunately my vehicles were undercover & no damage from large hailstones.
Looks like quite a few people got caught out & I saw a few rental cars hail damaged at the theme parks afterwards.

I'm on the north side of GC.
I should have taken some photos, though really didn't want to run the gauntlet with a camera in the yard during the hail, but my undulating lawn did slightly resemble a temporary ski run. :D

I was at Slacks Creek visiting a client who owns an automotive repair shop. It went so dark that the skylights on the roof weren't bringing in any light. We thought it was a bit unusual so we went outside (about 4.15pm). Needless to say, it started raining and he prudently decided to tell his mechanic to down tools and get the 15-odd cars inside, in case there was hail. This was achieved and got my car in as well, before the heavens opened. Was a hail storm, then torrential rain and finally another hail storm to finish (similar size to the Sunshine Coast newspaper video upthread). Road flooded and there was a torrent of water coming from the (higher) industrial sheds on Moss Street, through the area between his and his neighbours sheds.

Was lucky I had spent so much time with him - I was meant to have been on my way to see my clients wife in a neighbouring suburb to get some documents counter-signed when it hailed. Did mean that I was late home (but able to advise my wife to batten down the house as there was a 20 minute window before it hit the northern suburbs)
 
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I was at Slacks Creek visiting a client who owns an automotive repair shop. It went so dark that the skylights on the roof weren't bring in any light. We thought it was a bit unusual so we went outside (about 4.15pm). Needless to say, it started raining and he prudently decided to tell his mechanic to down tools and get the 15-odd cars inside, in case there was hail. This was achieved and got my car in as well, before the heavens opened. Was a hail storm, then torrential rain and finally another hail storm to finish (similar size to the Sunshine Coast newspaper video upthread). Road flooded and there was a torrent of water coming from the (higher) industrial sheds on Moss Street, through the area between his and his neighbours sheds.

Was lucky I had spent so much time with him - I was meant to have been on my way to see my clients wife in a neighbouring suburb to get some documents counter-signed when it hailed. Did mean that I was late home (but able to advise my wife to batten down the house as there was a 20 minute window before it hit the northern suburbs)

Wow.. Lucky :D
Glad I wasn't the only one, but fortunately came out unscathed.
 
i didn't get any such feeling from the article.

however I don't think we've heard the end of this one. it appears to defy logic.

I agree. And for the victims families, it took 15 months to get to court during which time she gets picked up for using the phone in the car again, a sentence of 2yrs and 6 months (which even if served seems lenient) only for it to be suspended and the person walks free - what must they think of the justice system. The article did not go into much detail about the victims or contain any response to the decision from the victims families.

I hope we haven't seen the end of this one. Somewhere along the line, the justice system seem to have forgotten about taking responsibility for one's actions.
 
Somewhere along the line, the justice system seem to have forgotten about taking responsibility for one's actions.

Not taking responsibility for ones' actions seems to me to be a general community problem as well. I'm not referring to any specific community.
 
what must they think of the justice system.

I don't know about the justice system in Taiwan. I'm guessing over there, a similar crime (driving causing death) would attract a penalty of imprisonment, irrespective of the age of the driver and (largely) independent of the "character" of the person.

So I'm guessing they're thinking that our justice system is so horrid, it's no wonder our Western society seems so "corrupted".
 
I'm surprised by the remark by the judge

I'd like to know how this kind of statement is even possibly justified, except through prejudice or lack of character.

I hope at least a conviction is recorded against her. At the end of the day, she killed someone. People who are charged with manslaughter and negligence are jailed for less.

I'm glad in a way "she showed remorse" but that is hardly commensurate to her being punished for the act. That only attempts to patch things up with the affected family.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if she's being victimised / sent death threats / etc.. Let alone having her name splashed around the media in disgust is not likely to be promising for any of her further public pursuits.

The story was also mentioned this morning on 97.3 FM radio in Brisbane. There wasn't any particular opinion passed on it, but the breakfast team did share "What would it take for you to stop using your mobile phone whilst driving". Apparently one of the team almost caused a fatality herself.

I find this quote most disturbing:

Outside court Hopper's family and supporters jostled with media and said she would not be making any comment and had no message for the family of the man she killed.
in particular, the "no message for the family of the man she killed". A message would have shown contrition and confirmed the Magistartes view that she was remorseful.
 
I find this quote most disturbing:

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in particular, the "no message for the family of the man she killed". A message would have shown contrition and confirmed the Magistartes view that she was remorseful.

Perhaps, but at the same time in that context it could just mean they were just trying to squirrel her away as soon as possible (read: diplomatic way of telling the media to <expletive> off). Not necessarily that she would not say anything if pressed to do so.

I'm surprised she did have "supporters" (apart from family and friends). What is she, O. J. Simpson? Please.

The only real "problem" that may have possibly contributed to mitigating her (Hopper) circumstances was that the two people were walking on a dirt road. Depending on how they were walking down the road may mean something. I'm not saying this is plausible or what not, but thinking as lawyers do, they will always be arguing it down to the detail to not only prima facie establish guilt or not, but to the exact extent as to what that guilt is, on both sides of the argument.
 
Question to anyone that knows:

We know there are various things that you can't discriminate over when deciding on who is successful in applying for a job (or denying those applying for a job). For example, race, gender (unless inherent), sexual orientation, etc.

Is it wrong to deny a job (or pass favour to someone else for a job) for someone you may hold a prejudice against due to their alleged or apparent criminal history? In the latter case, let's say the woman we are discussing in the current sub-thread applied for a job. All other things being relatively equal, as an employer would there be rights to say, "We will select that candidate (not the woman) because we know she was involved in a car accident (based on what we heard in the media)?" Or, would the woman have a recourse to litigate based on discrimination or prejudice?

(Put aside the apparent or real superficiality of this example for now...)

I guess a similar thing holds for, say, teachers who were accused of sexual misbehaviour but were later fully exonerated (e.g. there have been cases where it was proven that the students who made the accusations had completely fabricated the accusations). However, it seems they are doomed not to be able to get another job as a teacher, and other jobs for that matter.
 
Question to anyone that knows:

We know there are various things that you can't discriminate over when deciding on who is successful in applying for a job (or denying those applying for a job). For example, race, gender (unless inherent), sexual orientation, etc.

Is it wrong to deny a job (or pass favour to someone else for a job) for someone you may hold a prejudice against due to their alleged or apparent criminal history? In the latter case, let's say the woman we are discussing in the current sub-thread applied for a job. All other things being relatively equal, as an employer would there be rights to say, "We will select that candidate (not the woman) because we know she was involved in a car accident (based on what we heard in the media)?" Or, would the woman have a recourse to litigate based on discrimination or prejudice?

(Put aside the apparent or real superficiality of this example for now...)

I guess a similar thing holds for, say, teachers who were accused of sexual misbehaviour but were later fully exonerated (e.g. there have been cases where it was proven that the students who made the accusations had completely fabricated the accusations). However, it seems they are doomed not to be able to get another job as a teacher, and other jobs for that matter.

From a legal perspective, they can't discriminate based on legal behaviour UNLESS it is relevant to the role, AFAIK.

e.g. if you have been fined/imprisoned for fraud, you'll have a damn hard time find a job with a financial services company

Likewise, if you're on the sexual offenders list.. good luck getting a job teaching/working with children.
 
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