The totally off-topic thread

[Simo]

I get forlorn when I don't have travel contemplated or booked, or know I'm going to be on the ground for a while. Seems we need to catch up to hear your story.

No probs will tell you the long story when we catch up...

 

[TomVexille]

So my 77 (12 over par) at Chatswood is not a disaster?

I guess it is all relative though. I am not playing badly. Just leeking too many shots. Wish there was a quick fix.

Not at all, I wish I could play that well. My problem is that I am playing badly, I'm capable of being in the 80's, but I think my fix is to play more.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Were they more specific than "a chemical"? I recycling of the fuel vapours can kill story that's been around for years.

There's thousands of chemicals in air that can harm us.

the story was about this.

sometimes engine oils can leak, entering the air inflow.

the manufacturers of the oil have specific warnings on their product that fumes from the heated oil should not be breathed as they contain TCPs.

CX pilot (34 years of age) barely managed to land a plane at HKG, collapsed shortly after landing. High levels of TCPs found in his blood stream. Never been able to work again.

Former BA chief medico and now airbus advisor says that there is no proof - despite an entire plane load of pax all becoming ill from the same symptoms with thick blue oil smoke in the air.

Yes there are lots of chemicals in the air we breath - but the point being made was that airlines and manufacturers don't seem to care because they haven't developed an air monitor. These are compulsory on submarines and in mines and other places where air is enclosed. But not planes. And this is despite strong warnings from the manufacturers of the oil that their product is dangerous.

Swabs taken by 60 minutes from seat tables on aircraft returned a greater than 50% occurrence of TPC residue - meaning TCPs had been in the air on those jets.

However - it seems TCPs are more likely to have a severe impact on only a small number of people. The rest of us might be able cope with them without getting too ill.

 

[medhead]

the story was about this.

sometimes engine oils can leak, entering the air inflow.

the manufacturers of the oil have specific warnings on their product that fumes from the heated oil should not be breathed as they contain TCPs.

CX pilot (34 years of age) barely managed to land a plane at HKG, collapsed shortly after landing. High levels of TCPs found in his blood stream. Never been able to work again.

Former BA chief medico and now airbus advisor says that there is no proof - despite an entire plane load of pax all becoming ill from the same symptoms with thick blue oil smoke in the air.

Yes there are lots of chemicals in the air we breath - but the point being made was that airlines and manufacturers don't seem to care because they haven't developed an air monitor. These are compulsory on submarines and in mines and other places where air is enclosed. But not planes. And this is despite strong warnings from the manufacturers of the oil that their product is dangerous.

Swabs taken by 60 minutes from seat tables on aircraft returned a greater than 50% occurrence of TPC residue - meaning TCPs had been in the air on those jets.

However - it seems TCPs are more likely to have a severe impact on only a small number of people. The rest of us might be able cope with them without getting too ill.

An organophosphate apparently. Tricresyl phosphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Only a problem for an engine bleed event, apparently. Basically this is the same stuff they've been banging on about for years. Truth be told, I can't really remember the last engine fume smell I experienced in the last few years. In my youth, they were certainly much more common, given my infrequent flying back then, I recall always smelling the engine "fumes" in the 1980s and early 90s, in things like 727s.

Organophosphate is bad stuff, but exposure has to be pretty low…..

And of course, a consequence of non-smoking flying is they add less bleed air.

On the mining monitoring front, someone is pulling your leg. They monitor for gases that will kill you dead on the spot. NOx, O2, CO2, and explosive atmospheres, for example. Otherwise, in confided spaces that have contained process and chemicals and could also result in you falling over dead if getting in there. Hardly a comparable situation.

 

[rogerkambah]

On the mining monitoring front, someone is pulling your leg. They monitor for gases that will kill you dead on the spot. NOx, O2, CO2, and explosive atmospheres, for example. Otherwise, in confided spaces that have contained process and chemicals and could also result in you falling over dead if getting in there. Hardly a comparable situation.

Last I knew, O2 (oxygen) is actually necessary for life. It constitutes around 20.8% of the air we breathe.

 

[anat0l]

Last I knew, O2 (oxygen) is actually necessary for life. It constitutes around 20.8% of the air we breathe.

Yeah but too much of it (concentrated) isn't necessarily good for you (unless you're already severely oxygen deprived). Besides, concentration of oxygen is a high fire (spark, static, etc.) risk.

Then again, might be a typo anyway, but monitoring O2 level (partial pressure) is still a good idea in confined spaces.

 

[rogerkambah]

Yeah but too much of it (concentrated) isn't necessarily good for you (unless you're already severely oxygen deprived). Besides, concentration of oxygen is a high fire (spark, static, etc.) risk.

Then again, might be a typo anyway, but monitoring O2 level (partial pressure) is still a good idea in confined spaces.

Agreed!!!!

 

[medhead]

Last I knew, O2 (oxygen) is actually necessary for life. It constitutes around 20.8% of the air we breathe.

Not enough of it will kill you. The underground mine monitoring I've experienced was about ensuring there is a liveable atmosphere. Nox, co2 bad. But not enough O2 because its been displaced by something else is also bad. ie making sure the known bad stuff isn't there and also making sure there is enough of the good stuff.

 

[rogerkambah]

Not enough of it will kill you. The underground mine monitoring I've experienced was about ensuring there is a liveable atmosphere. Nox, co2 bad. But not enough O2 because its been displaced by something else is also bad. ie making sure the known bad stuff isn't there and also making sure there is enough of the good stuff.

Agreed!!! (3 ! because the shortest a message can be is 10 characters)

 

[JohnK]

Not at all, I wish I could play that well. My problem is that I am playing badly, I'm capable of being in the 80's, but I think my fix is to play more.

Golf is a funny game.

Sometimes the solution is to play more golf while other times the solution is to play less golf.

 

[JessicaTam]

Currently watching The Wedding Singer. The fashions and music are bringing back some (mostly good) memories.

 

[Hvr]

Currently watching The Wedding Singer. The fashions and music are bringing back some (mostly good) memories.

Like looking through your wardrobe and your 45 collection?

 

[JessicaTam]

Like looking through your wardrobe and your 45 collection?

Hey I am switched on to the new fangled stuff. I have CDs.

 

[cove]

It is getting close to the end for sharing US AIRWAYS Dividend Miles. Finishes December 6th US time of course.
It is 50,000 miles shared bonus for $567.50 US .

 

[TheEmu]

Golf is a funny game.

...

Yep - I often see people laughing when they watch me play... :shock:

 

[drron]

Yep - I often see people laughing when they watch me play... :shock:

I often see them ducking for cover!:shock:

 

[anat0l]

I often see them ducking for cover!:shock:

That's what we call foreplay. :mrgreen:

Not as pleasurable as.... ah, never mind.....

 

[TheEmu]

I often see them ducking for cover!:shock:

People ducking for cover is usually the only birdie I get when golfing!

 

[TheEmu]

I often see them ducking for cover!:shock:

People ducking for cover is usually the only birdie I get when golfing!

Just waiting to see if Hvr is on the ball with some golfing puns... I'm sure he'll be able to tee up a few.

 

[drron]

Just waiting to see if Hvr is on the ball with some golfing puns... I'm sure he'll be able to tee up a few.

He might slice through a few I dare say especially if he gets his hook in.