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Last day in the office today...still waiting for written notice....
The paranoia is strong in this one! :mrgreen:
Paranoid? I think not - again I contend screen shots of all existing email from BC's first knowledge of possible employment ceasing until the day she exits - good insurance IMHO.

Of course we are all different and all react in different ways - personally I have never been an employee for a company I have not owned - so we are no doubt going to look at matters quite differently.

Whatever - blacky is pretty sharp - she will make the correct decisions for her circumstances.
 
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Seems pretty clear that you'll be totally deleting your email on the last day. (whenever that ends up being)

Nope, but my account will be closed upon termination of my employment, whenever that actually happens.

Surely management has the right to monitor someone's business emails when they are on leave or leave the business?

All of our emails are shared and monitored when staff, including the CE and Directors, are absent so it's just what we do.

And yes, IT can control everyone's email box so probably best to stick with business style emails on business email addresses.

No, our IT policy is that no one can have access to anyone elses account. That includes the sharing of log-in information. I've been assured that there is no way in hell he will be given access. Sharing your log-in is a sackable offence. I am currently downloading any emails that may be relevant, but I have already handed over all my computer files.

BC - have you advised HR today (i.e. before you leave the building for the final time this year) that written notice has not been given?

Nope, not my job to remind them. I've been advised to return to work on January 5 when we reopen and I will notify her then. They then either need to keep paying me, or give me four weeks notice and associated pay.
 
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Just off to the airport to pickup the first of our christmas arrivals...... no way I'd be up at 3.30am by choice :shock:

A Griswold Family Christmas? :D

Our business can't operate unless we share information so everyone's info is everyone else's information except for payroll info and private personal details. Maybe that's a luxury of being a small business.

We can of course lock someone out if that was ever needed.

Good luck Blackcat. I don't like sloppy HR practices.
 
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Surely management has the right to monitor someone's business emails when they are on leave or leave the business?

All of our emails are shared and monitored when staff, including the CE and Directors, are absent so it's just what we do.

And yes, IT can control everyone's email box so probably best to stick with business style emails on business email addresses.

There is a bit of a difference between monitoring business email and having direct access to the account. What you talk about is ok for a small organisation but it is not appropriate for a medium to large organisation for a supervisor to have control of an email account of a former employee. This is not changed by what IT is capable of doing.

As I said if the supervisor thinks there are business critical information in the email account they need to do their $&%#^* job and manage retention of that information as part of the termination process. Give me the password is the stuff of cowboys.

This is pretty much what I was going to say. Even if you delete all your emails...... they'll still be retrievable! Either journalling/enterprise archiving will be in place, backups can be restored, etc. Just something to keep in mind. Whenever I leave somewhere I just leave my mailbox as is, makes no difference to me. Don't have anything to hide!

Here's the thing. You work in IT. You've never had to deal with IT. Asking IT in a medium to large organisation similar to a university to retrieve a backup is generally going to result in computer says no. Second response will be get approval. A time consuming process. So my flippant comment was mainly about wasting someone's time not hiding things.

Generally, if they have proper processes HR will notify IT of the departure, which will then trigger closure of the account. If they have proper processes.
 
I will be contacting fair work, but advice Ive had from the appropriate person at work is to turn up as normal on January 5 and advise HR that notice has not yet been given.

Had a meeting with my boss earlier and he outdid himself, demanding access to my email inbox after I leave. Not only illegal but against workplace policy.

IMMEDIATELY send him an email confirming your understanding of your meeting with him and BCC your private email address. If things did turn nasty this is invaluable.

If he replies and disputes you have evidence trail. If he does not reply then you have proof.

Time to go outside for a brief walk and phone call to State/Fed work authority. You've got 65 minutes.
 
Surely management has the right to monitor someone's business emails when they are on leave or leave the business?

All of our emails are shared and monitored when staff, including the CE and Directors, are absent so it's just what we do.

And yes, IT can control everyone's email box so probably best to stick with business style emails on business email addresses.

Provided you abide by company policy then your boss is not entitled to see any private emails you send from your business account. Many businesses ban the use of a private email on work pcs due to risk of virus'.

Normally you would put the 'on holiday' auto response stating if urgent then please contact X'.

Compliance can ask to see the your email (via IT) but nobody else is legally entitled unless you specifically agreed to this.

DO NOT DO ANYTHING MALICIOUS.

Only delete personal emails. Do not onsend anything you should not.

At 4.45pm send an email to HR asking when will the 14 day period commence as you wish to start planning your future endeavours and you have still not received the notice in writing as per our agreement/contract. You could (debatable) say you thought it would have come through as you did not expect to be receiving the public holidays on top of the 14 day period.

I always assume the worst and that way the worst that can happen is I am not blind-sided and often I can get a pleasant surprise. Several times I got a very pleasant surprise when past employer did not abide by the rules and I had. Keeping records (printed out copies of emails such as to HR shortly) is invaluable.

Good luck!
 
If a person leaves an employer then their business email address is no longer theirs anyway.

As many of our people are frequently offsite travelling, it makes no sense to put a "not here" auto response. Instead their EA will respond on their behalf until that person can access their email which might be after hours, or in the next couple of days. Everyone knows that the possibility is that everyone else can access their emails. The bosses take the lead in making their emails visible to all. If they wish to send private emails then we are happy for them to use their personal email accounts during the day.
 
If a person leaves an employer then their business email address is no longer theirs anyway.

As many of our people are frequently offsite travelling, it makes no sense to put a "not here" auto response. Instead their EA will respond on their behalf until that person can access their email which might be after hours, or in the next couple of days. Everyone knows that the possibility is that everyone else can access their emails. The bosses take the lead in making their emails visible to all. If they wish to send private emails then we are happy for them to use their personal email accounts during the day.

Ownership of the email address is not the issue.

How you work doesn't alter the policy in another work place.

Also what you've outlined is the type of thing that was suggested. An ea monitoring business emails is not the same thing. Out of office is used when people are not checking emails. There is no suggestion of turning it on for staff who are on duty even if they're traveling.

As a general comment, I can see no reason for a workplace peer to have access to my email. Calendar - Yes. But there should be no critical information stored in email.
 
If a person leaves an employer then their business email address is no longer theirs anyway.

As many of our people are frequently offsite travelling, it makes no sense to put a "not here" auto response. Instead their EA will respond on their behalf until that person can access their email which might be after hours, or in the next couple of days. Everyone knows that the possibility is that everyone else can access their emails. The bosses take the lead in making their emails visible to all. If they wish to send private emails then we are happy for them to use their personal email accounts during the day.
We have two types of email addresses. Mine is jessica.tam@ and is my personal email which no-one can access. The other is job.title@ which whoever is doing that job at the time can log into. Whilst checking two email addresses when doing a particular job can be a bit of a pain, it keeps the distinction nice and clear.
 
There is definitely a need for professional advice re the email situation but it could be argued that it is work product, i.e. created by using the employer's resources and on the employer's time. Therefore they belong to the employer.

The data is stored on the employer's servers etc. Also, they could well need those emails to continue business with some clients after your departure so it is reasonable that they access them regardless of your wishes.

And as the hour of departure is rapidly approaching your options are limited.
 
There is this thing called hand over. They might need some information in emails. That doesn't mean they need access to the email account. Don't any of you people do corporate governance? Maintenance of business records? If it's that important put it in documented business records not sitting in some random email account.

Seriously can't believe what I'm reading, running business critical information from an email account. Ok then :rolleyes:


Edit: ok maybe sorry. I've just spend a week putting documents into the corporate records system. Maybe I'm jealous.
 
Is moving from ICU to a high dependency ward a good thing? I'd previously thought high dependency related to mental incapacity. Does it also relate to medical dependency?


Background: brain hemorrhage, hole drilled in skull, repaired blood vessels/coil implanted.
 
Is moving from ICU to a high dependency ward a good thing? I'd previously thought high dependency related to mental incapacity. Does it also relate to medical dependency?


Background: brain hemorrhage, hole drilled in skull, repaired blood vessels/coil implanted.

Yes it's a good thing, it's a step down to eventual admittance to a general ward and onto rehabilitation
 
Many private hospitals (in SA anyway) do not have a ward called "intensive care" but only a high dependency one. Nothing to do with mental health.
 
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