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If I do end up being diagnosed then yes I will tell my brother. But his response to being tested for Leiden V (another inherited blood clotting disorder) was '"why would we test? Wont it effect our Insurance?" was rather curious. So even if I told him I am not sure he would do anything about it. I know, weird.

In my original post I wasnt necessarily posting what I would do - I probably should have posted a theoretical "One might decide not to tell abc of the diagnosis".

Which really begs the question - "how much are we required to tell others of our health situation?" In some strained families its an interesting and not straightforward issue.
 
Hereditary Haemochromatosis is just one of the genetic iron overload diseases.The 2 genes are C282Y which is a celtic gene.Then there is H63D believed to be of Mediterranean origin.Unfortunately in World history these 2 groups had a tendency to travel the world leaving their genes behind so these genes turn up in unexpected places at times.The disease due to H63D is mild and many do not have significant iron overload.Someone who has both a H63D and a C282Y gene is more likely to have significant overload but the most severe cases have a double copy of C282Y.But up to 10% of those with a double copy of C282Y do not have significant overload.So there are other factors apart from the gene mutations that must be important.

Many systems are affected but the commonest is the liver with cirrhosis and Hepatic cell carcinoma.Diabetes is a common problem.Degenerative arthritis is common.Testing people from diabetic clinics or joint replacement clinics results in a much higher pickup rate than testing the general population.
Other things include the heart,testes,pituitary and thyroid glands.Early symptoms are usually fatique and lethargy but often skin colour change.I was a good example of this as I would go to the beach,get sunburnt and the next day had a great tan.This used to p*** mrsdrron no end.

The disease was first described in 1871.Blood letting became the treatment in the 1950s.In the 70s a genetic basis was first proposed due to the work of Prof.Powell in Brisbane who found iron overload in 4 related non drinking women.Up to then it was considered to be a variant of alcoholic cirrhosis.His research showed a relationship with HLA A3 which pointed to a genetic cause.The gene was first reported in 1996.I was diagnosed in 1992 because I moved to QLD.I needed a biochemical screen for life insurance.In QLD this included iron levels.Mine was high though passed by the Insurance company without question.But I was aware of Prof. Powell's work and found I had a ferritin of ~ 700 and a transferrin saturation of ~ 90%.That was even though I had given the Red Cross 75 pints of my finest.Very lucky for me.
My sister has the genes and is just developing iron overload.Mrsdrron had a brother who had 2 copies of the H63D gene.She has one.Fortunately for my son who hates the sight of blood he has only 1 copy of C282Y.An uncle of mine had died of cirrhosis.Behind his back the family all described him as a cupboard drinker.I now know better.Both my parents though were adamant they were not responsible for my genes-my reply-I always knew I was adopted.

Because it became known I had the disease there were quite a few referred to me.One was a family member of a journalist.My story appeared in a long article in the Weekend Australian magazine in the mid 90s.This meant I had a lot more patients with HH than most physicians.

An end to the story with a couple of link.There is a very active patient support group in Australia-
Newly Diagnosed? You May Be Eligible To Participate In Mi-Iron Research Study | Haemochromatosis Australia
I have linked to a page with a link to a new trial going on in Australia for HH.
 
I am looking at buying a small (1kw) inverter generator to run a laptop and projector. Has anyone any experience with the $3-400 ones on eBay?

No experience myself on the cheaper eBay inverter generators but I can stand with my hand on heart and recommend the Honda range (EU1000i) I and others I know well have thrown money at other supposedly cheap imported equipment and I/we ended up having to replace them when they fail.

I'm sure you can get lucky (like hoping for an upgrade vs buying the fare you want)
 
If I do end up being diagnosed then yes I will tell my brother. But his response to being tested for Leiden V (another inherited blood clotting disorder) was '"why would we test? Wont it effect our Insurance?" was rather curious. So even if I told him I am not sure he would do anything about it. I know, weird.

In my original post I wasnt necessarily posting what I would do - I probably should have posted a theoretical "One might decide not to tell abc of the diagnosis".

Which really begs the question - "how much are we required to tell others of our health situation?" In some strained families its an interesting and not straightforward issue.

In Australia if you have HH and having regular venesections without major liver damage there is no negative effect on your insurance.
 
drron, if the ferritin level and transference measures are higher than normal, but the gene issue doesn't appear, what next? Isn't iron overload an overload and needing reduction, regardless of the cause?
Actually, my kids are adopted! Saved them some issues.

In Australia if you have HH and having regular venesections without major liver damage there is no negative effect on your insurance.

I shall tell him. Do you have to pay a loading on Travel Insurance? Insureandgo will cover it and DVT but with a surcharge.
 
Yeah, I agree that its not always straightforward. But with haemachromatosis, as its so easily treatable and needs to be known by descendants, to me its a no-brainer. I've come across a couple of insurance questionnaires with haemachromatosis, when I've added it in under 'other' has never bothered them. If you know about it, its pretty well OK. I think its a flag with diabetes, but then, what isn't?

Now, when it comes to the insurance questionnaire which effectively asks "Tell us about all your siblings' and parents' health issues" that I go (and have gone) ballistic. Telling ANZ that I didn't know their entire medical history, and that I was disinclined to ask them, I was told to lie by one agent (oh, don't worry about that one , we'll never know.) That, and the question in general ended up costing the ANZ.

Edit: Just saw drron's post. Can't 'like' it for some reason, but I certainly do.

<snip>.But I was aware of Prof. Powell's work and found I had a ferritin of ~ 700 and a transferrin saturation of ~ 90%.That was even though I had given the Red Cross 75 pints of my finest. Very lucky for me.<snip>.

Lucky you had been giving blood. I don't remember my ferritin level when they discovered it, other than it was in the 10,000s of thousands :shock: and he said 'it doesn't come much more saturated, either'. hence the immediate 2 weekly vinesections!
 
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Which really begs the question - "how much are we required to tell others of our health situation?" In some strained families its an interesting and not straightforward issue.
Not straight forward at all. Haven't told mum and dad everything. And hardly discuss all my conditions with my brother. My wife knows some things regarding my health but don't want to overload her with information

Such a difficult situation.
 
but what else might create high ferritin levels? .

Pushka, most causes of high serum ferritin are not due to iron overload.

The metric is this:


haemochromatosis
metabolic syndrome obesity, diabetes
liver disease
inflammation, infection, malignancy

Lastly increased alcohol intake :shock:

Sorry you are on the medical merry go round. It is sometimes difficult to get off.
 
I dont have any of the other issues. The unknown is the genetic one just yet. And a bottle of wine over 3 days of the week doesnt make for alcohol abuse - surely?

Yes - medical merry go round it is. First the clot now leads to this. Still dont know whats caused the clot yet.

Damn Haemotologist appt is so far away (end of April) but that was before the ferritin issue popped up. Maybe the GP will accelerate next week.
 
No experience myself on the cheaper eBay inverter generators but I can stand with my hand on heart and recommend the Honda range (EU1000i) I and others I know well have thrown money at other supposedly cheap imported equipment and I/we ended up having to replace them when they fail.

I'm sure you can get lucky (like hoping for an upgrade vs buying the fare you want)
Thanks. I am trying to avoid spending +$1K. :shock:
 
I never have. Honestly, haemachromatosis is one of the most benign things to have in my experience.

Totally agree. Once you know you have it. For me it would be an easy diagnosis.
 
Totally agree. Once you know you have it. For me it would be an easy diagnosis.

High ferritin can also just be transient or persistent with no particular cause. If your lfts are normal then there is no liver damage from it either. At your age assuming normal LFTs then regardless the high ferritin is not something that needs to be keeping you up, either as a new diagnosis or a cause.

Inflammation is not something you are always aware of. Things come and go and change within the body and ferritin and LFTs can change at the drop of a hat and revert. I know of many people with transient and persistently raised ferritins that have no medical dx and no issues.

Remember that most "normal" values are only based on population studies. Do a heap of tests then take 3 std deviations from the mean and that is normal. Some people will be "abnormal" which is normal for them, and not pathogenic.

Also- acupuncture is absolute bunkum. BS. cough.
What most people are being given is dry needling or people sticking needles into the affected area or surrounds.
What's the difference? Acupuncture is about Chi/energy flows. It is sticking a needle into, say, your L leg Chi line to heal your red eye, or your R wrist to fix your back issues.
I do not know the evidence base for dry needling but it seems to be effective for some, and a few physios and GPs use it. They often sell it as acupuncture because that is what people want to hear.
 
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