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drron, if the ferritin level and transference measures are higher than normal, but the gene issue doesn't appear, what next? Isn't iron overload an overload and needing reduction, regardless of the cause?
Actually, my kids are adopted! Saved them some issues.



I shall tell him. Do you have to pay a loading on Travel Insurance? Insureandgo will cover it and DVT but with a surcharge.

I've always declared my haemochromatosis and never been loaded for any travel insurance.But then I am known to most companies having given a presentation to a meeting of Insurance senior managers in Melbourne on this subject.

You can have iron overload without known gene abnormalities.New genes are being found.There are officially 4 different forms of Haemochromatosis but different genes and mechanisms of iron overload.There are still some types where genes have not been discovered-they could be due to the interactions of more than 1 gene though.
 
Broken biscuits don't have calories.

Dammit JessT. Now I desperately want some tim tams and we don't have any. Just have to grab a spoonful of Nutella instead. Awfully hard to drink with a cup of tea though.
 
Saw 4 Corners on CommInsure tonight. Usually I find 4 Corners do nothing much more than a hatchet job on Big [name your dastardly and evil commercial sector here], but this was riveting.

Funnily enough I'm with CommInsure and lodged a complaint about 6 weeks ago (nothing nearly as serious like that shown on the program). A very odd response from CommInsure (I was left wondering if they had confused my complaint with some-one else) .. and quickly escalated out of CommInsure to the Group people. I guess they had other things on their mind ...
 
Ah. I like that! Broken tim tams it is.
Thank goodness, I have had 4 broken Tim Tams tonight.... (yes, home alone....:()

Pushka, I have 5 packets of Tim Tams in my fridge - going to post to the USA (LOTFAP just love them) but happy to send to you instead. :lol:
 
Thank goodness, I have had 4 broken Tim Tams tonight.... (yes, home alone....:()

Pushka, I have 5 packets of Tim Tams in my fridge - going to post to the USA (LOTFAP just love them) but happy to send to you instead. :lol:

What happened to those mint slices? Surely you didn't eat them'!

Home alone too so I could sneak the nutella spoon into the lounge watching tv.
 
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What happened to those mint slices? Surely you didn't eat them'!

Home alone too so I could sneak the nutella spoon into the lounge watching tv.

Hmmm me and chocolate...... my boss's know they can leave their wallets/kids/home/ my company credit card in safe hands.... BUT if they leave chocolate in my staff kitchen - it's fair game.
 
Well the Matildas have qualified for Rio.
Have been playing very well and really deserve it.
 
Hereditary Haemochromatosis is just one of the genetic iron overload diseases.The 2 genes are C282Y which is a celtic gene.Then there is H63D believed to be of Mediterranean origin.Unfortunately in World history these 2 groups had a tendency to travel the world leaving their genes behind so these genes turn up in unexpected places at times.The disease due to H63D is mild and many do not have significant iron overload.Someone who has both a H63D and a C282Y gene is more likely to have significant overload but the most severe cases have a double copy of C282Y.But up to 10% of those with a double copy of C282Y do not have significant overload.So there are other factors apart from the gene mutations that must be important.

Many systems are affected but the commonest is the liver with cirrhosis and Hepatic cell carcinoma.Diabetes is a common problem.Degenerative arthritis is common.Testing people from diabetic clinics or joint replacement clinics results in a much higher pickup rate than testing the general population.
Other things include the heart,testes,pituitary and thyroid glands.Early symptoms are usually fatique and lethargy but often skin colour change.I was a good example of this as I would go to the beach,get sunburnt and the next day had a great tan.This used to p*** mrsdrron no end.

The disease was first described in 1871.Blood letting became the treatment in the 1950s.In the 70s a genetic basis was first proposed due to the work of Prof.Powell in Brisbane who found iron overload in 4 related non drinking women.Up to then it was considered to be a variant of alcoholic cirrhosis.His research showed a relationship with HLA A3 which pointed to a genetic cause.The gene was first reported in 1996.I was diagnosed in 1992 because I moved to QLD.I needed a biochemical screen for life insurance.In QLD this included iron levels.Mine was high though passed by the Insurance company without question.But I was aware of Prof. Powell's work and found I had a ferritin of ~ 700 and a transferrin saturation of ~ 90%.That was even though I had given the Red Cross 75 pints of my finest.Very lucky for me.
My sister has the genes and is just developing iron overload.Mrsdrron had a brother who had 2 copies of the H63D gene.She has one.Fortunately for my son who hates the sight of blood he has only 1 copy of C282Y.An uncle of mine had died of cirrhosis.Behind his back the family all described him as a cupboard drinker.I now know better.Both my parents though were adamant they were not responsible for my genes-my reply-I always knew I was adopted.

Because it became known I had the disease there were quite a few referred to me.One was a family member of a journalist.My story appeared in a long article in the Weekend Australian magazine in the mid 90s.This meant I had a lot more patients with HH than most physicians.

An end to the story with a couple of link.There is a very active patient support group in Australia-
Newly Diagnosed? You May Be Eligible To Participate In Mi-Iron Research Study | Haemochromatosis Australia
I have linked to a page with a link to a new trial going on in Australia for HH.

Hi DrRon, very interesting post about Haemochromatosis, my mum has it and the Dr she was seeing originally suggested she should take iron tablets, probably not the best choice.

I have actually met Prof. Powell a few times as I had high iron levels. One of the questions I remembered was how much I drink, more than I should but probably not as much as others.
Prof. Powell is very interested talking with different patients and he can talk about iron levels like an AFFer can discuss frequent flyer points.
I haven't seen him for more than 12 month and he keeps changing where he was working.
 
He is an interesting fellow and a real gentleman.I once chaired a session of a conference he was speaking at-on the wonderful topic of iron metabolism.
He is a few years older than me so guess he doesn't want to take out a long term lease on rooms.
 
Thanks. I am trying to avoid spending +$1K. :shock:

My brother in law has done a bit of trading in generators. ISTR he picks up honda versions second hand fairly cheaply. After stripping down and cleaning up my lawn mower over christmas, it shouldn't be too hard to do a bit of work on one if needed.

Broken biscuits don't have calories.

True, the calories fall out at the break.
 
When my son was a Uni he was taught what to do with Tim Tams, you bite the ends off and suck vodka through them. :shock:

Yep. That is what I was thinking of doing last night. But with tea. But I only had nutella. That didnt work so well.

The first time I did the tea thing the biscuit collapsed into the cup and that was it! But now I know from JessT's wisdom - broken so no calories! Win!

Vodka would be much better. Baileys. Really an endless list come to think of it. Might try the baileys tonight. ;)
 
He is an interesting fellow and a real gentleman.I once chaired a session of a conference he was speaking at-on the wonderful topic of iron metabolism.
He is a few years older than me so guess he doesn't want to take out a long term lease on rooms.

Last week I wasn't buying green bananas.

Gosh drron, that study is really interesting. I couldn't see how long the trial lasts though. Isn't it a little dicey if you had say the 800-900 levels and were allocated to the non-iron removal trial and the study was a few months long?
 
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Believe me, the most effective treatment for migraines is acupuncture. However you need a practitioner to administer the treatment which may not always be practical.
Acupunture is supposed to be the cure for many things.

Not quite in my experience and really no different to some people relying on chiropractors for every ache and pain.
 
Got an e-mails this morning, from a guy I can't remember ever meeting, but it began: You are on this listbecause we interacted in some way over the last 10 years

It wasn't spam, but a note from this guy who was letting everyone he had met and gotten an e-mail address from, in the past 10 years, that he had changed jobs.

So, sure enough, there are about 400 e-mail addresses in the To: field! :rolleyes:
 
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