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Yes, we went through all those and no child day care support. My wife's total wage as a nurse went on child day care and transport to and from that for 2 children. Even though she had no net income she had to continue working just to retain a job.

Child care payments were considered a personal expense and with no assistance from the Government.

Most people of a certain age are also worried their children and grandchildren can't actually get ahead and believe the wealth gap between the elderly and young is too great.

Well Australia has had 20+ years of growth but the primary group that has benefited is baby boomers. However it turns out millennials and older are worried they will have to take care of their parents

Millennials 'shell out' for their Baby Boomer parents
Oh well just remember be nice to your children.

Calling BS on that. My children will not be looking after me. My needs will be taken care of through my own means and neither will I qualify for any government support. Actually, if they did have to look after me for five years they will still be approx 20 years in debit from when they left home. Oh, did you forget they raised you?
 
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Re HECS... can someone explain to me how HECS prevents people from going to university? Last time HECS was in the political arena there was outrage from a large section of the community because 'education should be free' and 'high fees will stop people going to university'. I don't understand this this latter argument.

You pay nothing up front, it's collected back when you're earning, and the tax collection is like 6% or whatever. It's not like the government is taking 100% of your paycheck until the debt is repaid leaving you with nowhere to live and no food on the table.

What am I missing? Or is it psychological that people don't want to have a debt?
 
Re HECS... can someone explain to me how HECS prevents people from going to university? Last time HECS was in the political arena there was outrage from a large section of the community because 'education should be free' and 'high fees will stop people going to university'. I don't understand this this latter argument.

You pay nothing up front, it's collected back when you're earning, and the tax collection is like 6% or whatever. It's not like the government is taking 100% of your paycheck until the debt is repaid leaving you with nowhere to live and no food on the table.



What am I missing? Or is it psychological that people don't want to have a debt?

Does anything about left wing agendas make sense?

Was talking to HSC daughter(final year of school for those not familiar with Abb.) about taxes.

MissQS: Tax is about taking from the rich and giving to the poor
MrQS: Partially but is has to be earned first
MissQS: But some people don't earn enough so should be assisted.
MrQS: You work hard to get you HSC results?
MissQS: Of course
MrQS: Well some students don't work hard and some students are not fortunate to be in an environment that fosters learning.
MrQS: So tax is like this. You will get more HSC points than the above students. So they take 30-50% of your points to give to the above students.
MissQS: That's not fair
MrQS: well they do with your money...



Of course no one wants debt -as long as it's someone else's debt its OK
 
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And weird things continue to happen - either off to Nephrologist or Urologist shortly but that will be after the rheumatologist in a couple of weeks. Lucky I was healthy a few months ago.
So sorry to hear.

Life can be so cruel at times. I try to be positive but just when you think all is OK another incident occurs and leaves serious doubts in your mind.

The only thing that helps at times is to pray and ask why!
 
So sorry to hear.

Life can be so cruel at times. I try to be positive but just when you think all is OK another incident occurs and leaves serious doubts in your mind.

The only thing that helps at times is to pray and ask why!

Praying wont help me. ;).
Ok kidneys off the concern list as of this morning.
 
Praying wont help me. ;).
Ok kidneys off the concern list as of this morning. 
Good news but still not too late to consider praying again. In my experience there's a lot more to it than most people actually know.

P.S. I am not one for coincidence. Things happen for a reason which unfortunately we do not know.
 
Good news but still not too late to consider praying again. In my experience there's a lot more to it than most people actually know.

P.S. I am not one for coincidence. Things happen for a reason which unfortunately we do not know.

On that PS - I totally agree. While I don't believe in God as such, nor the traditional means of worship, there is 'something' in this universe that has a pattern. Or maybe Chaos theory. I don't understand it yet. Maybe never will.
 
We must be luxury compared with you Straiten. It's 8.0 in CBR and feels like 4.8C. That's very cold for Sale (having spent a lot of my life at Bairnsdale and with relos in the area I know it is usually much warmer).
 
We had the Russian balloonist fly over Perth on his way to a new world record about 2 hours ago. He has to land just past his Northam starting point to be the new record holder. It looked so small.
 
I am back at work Monday after 6 weeks off. *sad face*

Just fired up the laptop. 940 unread emails! :evil::shock::confused:

I might not be on AFF too much this week! *sigh*
 
Back on the job application merry go round this week. Looking for that elusive promotion.
Good luck JessicaTam. Having just been through that process again myself a few weeks back it can be quite difficult at times. Hope you get a good outcome.
 
Just had an hour blackout but back up. Except. The pharmac_ cant open because their computers went down and they are not coming back and of course, no computers no pharmac_.
 
:shock: That hasn't been my definition of a sensible time on a school night for a very long time penegal :oops:

[Delayed] It was quite PG-13... Much more sensible than the night with swanning_it.
 
And do tell us about statins.

In the early 2000s I met up with an ex-researcher who had come from a top 5 Pharma from overseas - I learnt a lot about Statins and what was in the public domain and what was not. Some predictions were made about what MAY come out in the next two or three years given what that person knew.

Here is a more recent update on some of what has come out since...

The first Lipitor trial, scheduled for next July before U.S. District Judge Richard Gergel, will be one of several so-called "bellwethers" used to gauge the strength of other cases. If Pfizer prevails, it could persuade plaintiffs to accept smaller settlements or drop cases.

Pfizer could also opt to settle before a single case is tried to avoid possible negative exposure or to prevent potentially damaging information from coming to light.
If past settlements are any guide, Pfizer's potential exposure could be substantial. Bayer, the maker of one-time rival statin Baycol, paid $1 billion in 2005 to settle about 3,000 cases alleging the drug caused rhabdomyolysis, a disease that breaks down muscle tissue. Baycol was pulled from the market in 2001 after being linked to 31 deaths.
In 2011 AstraZeneca said it would pay $647 million to resolve most of the 28,000 lawsuits it faced alleging its antipsychotic Seroquel caused diabetes and other injuries.

Also something I uncovered (personally) unfortunately is a drug being used in estimated 80%+ of all nursing homes/retirement homes in Australia is a drug ONLY LICENSED for use for teenage psychotics by the FDA. Johnson & Johnson marketed in the US (and worldwide) for use by elderly - or rather use ON elderly to boost their profits as the teenage psychotic market was simply not big enough.

These drugs are more or less banned for use on elderly or high blood pressure or stroke survivors etc overseas. Many hundreds of millions in fines later and criminal cases in the US - they are used everyday in Australia - RIGHT NOW.

J.&J. to Pay $2.2 Billion in Risperdal Settlement - The New York Times

www.nytimes.com/.../johnson-johnson-to-settle-risperdal-impro...


The New York Times


Nov 4, 2013 - The agreement is the third-largest pharmaceutical settlement in United States history and the largest in a string of recent cases involving the ...

The agreement is the third-largest pharmaceutical settlement in United States history and the largest in a string of recent cases involving the marketing of antipsychotic and anti-seizure drugs to older dementia patients. It is part of a decade-long effort by the federal government to hold the health care giant — and other pharmaceutical companies — accountable for illegally marketing the drugs as a way to control patients with dementia in nursing homes and children with certain behavioral disabilities, despite the health risks of the drugs.

The drug, the company claimed, could address symptoms that made treating these patients a challenge, especially in a nursing home setting, including agitation, confusion, hostility and impulsiveness. The company’s sales brochures highlighted these symptoms and minimized the fact that the drug was approved to treat schizophrenia, according to federal documents.


Federal officials said the company knew that Risperdal posed serious health risks for older adults, like an increased risk of strokes, but it played them down.
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Called Risperidone or Risperdal - nurses and nursing home staff commonly call them 'happy pills' - "it makes the staff happy as the resident becomes a veg for the night so we don't have any work to do." - Exact quote of what the RN told me when I confronted her after the 9th dose in 6 days after my mother went to top ranked nursing home. In Australia it can be used for ANY elderly resident apparently.

In causing a fuss where my mother was - talking with other families there - uncovered 21 others (also without dementia) who were given it 'to aid their sleeping'. Coincidentally - following near complete ban by families of its use - there were no deaths at that facility for 15 months - vs 3 a month before. After the 15 month period it averaged 1-2 a month for next year or so.

My mother's admission to this highly ranked/recommended place followed being discharged from Prince of Wales as 'nothing wrong with you' despite her medical background and presenting herself as "I think I am having a stroke. I have pain radiating up and down the right side of my body." Head of Neurology signed her out and less than ten minutes later she suffered a severe stroke that left her right side paralysed, no speech etc. For good measure, as she fell with the stroke - she hit a solid wooden table and broke her hip. Despite asking/begging/demanding for nearly three months for her to be X-rayed as clear she hit the table on the way down (moved several inches from its position - it turned out that they had never bothered despite head of PoW Neurology telling me in front of of PoW Legal team that it had been done, he'd seen it and there was no breaks. I countered, that I'd been asking to see it for nearly 3 months - they had "10 minutes before the TV cameras would be summoned and A Current Affair would be asking to see them."

Legal team strongly suggested:
  • I calm down - actually I was nearly whispering (a favourite technique taught in early 80s on how to make people listen)
  • No need to involve any third party
  • Professor should supply the x-rays immediately

Ten minutes later, "I am confused. It appears that no x-rays have ever actually been done....."

All up I uncovered/discovered:
  • An illegal/unsanctioned drug trial being conducted without permission on female stroke patients using a drug NOT RECOMMENDED for use on stroke patients.
  • Opiods prescribed against strict prohibition by families (due to adverse reactions previously) and despite wearing armband warning against prescription.
  • Regular blood testing required for some 'strong' drugs not done at all over a 15 month period

to name just a few. Unfortunately too many people want to believe that all doctors really know or care what they are doing. The reality unfortunately is different.

Just as I recommend when ringing a call centre - when dealing with the medical fraternity - take a notebook, date, time, name and write down whatever you think is relevant. Makes a big difference to the degree of care that ends up being taken.

My problem, unfortunately, was not knowing every question to ask.

My mother should have been having the 6 weekly blood tests.
 
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So just on the statins.Dont confuse science as described by lawyers with the science of medical scientists.
Some of the lawsuits and the Baycol problems were about rhabdomyolysis-severe destruction of muscle that can lead to kidney failure and death.It has always been known as a side effect but unfortunately at times it is not recognised.However it is rare-about 1.5 cases per 100000.Full recovery if it is recognised and statin stopped.
More common is muscle pain.This completely resolves if statin stopped.Occasionally it can benefit the patient.I had a patient who got central chest pain playing golf.A stress test was positive even though he did not get his pain.Angiogram revealed a 95% blockage in his left main coronary artery.After stenting he still got his pain.Stopping his simvastatin his pain disappeared.At follow up he staed he had done some research and wanted to go back on his statin as he would rather have muscle pain than risk further heart disease.His muscle enzymes were routinely checked from then on.

Next and the current lawsuits are about developing diabetes.It took time to realise this but that is because diabetes does take time to develop.At this point of time you still do better if you have had vascular events if you take a statin and develop diabetes than if you never take a statin.
Then there is this study-
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(04)16895-5/abstract

Diabetics who do not have a high cholesterol still had less risk of heart disease,heart surgery,stroke and death if they took a statin.

Just compare the reaction to statins compared to commonly used thiazide diuretics for high blood pressure.They also can cause diabetes but diabetics on them with high blood pressure still do better than diabetics not taking them.
However the major study which caused thiazides to be recommended as first line treatment was a Government run trial.Amazingly the primary endpoints were not met and cardiovascular events and death were no different to the other drugs used.If this trial had been done by a drug company introducing a new drug it would never had made the market.But thiazides are the cheapest of the drugs used.

Next to memory.Certainly statins have been associated with confusion and memory problems which resolve when the statin is ceased.So you do see scare stories that statins cause dementia.In fact the opposite is true-
Statins Reduces the Risk of Dementia in Patients with Late-Onset Depression: A Retrospective Cohort Study

Those with late onset depression that were on statins had a 33% decrease in developing Alzheimers compared to those not taking statins.Other cholesterol lowering drugs do not have this benefit.
 
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