The totally off-topic thread

[love_the_life]

Rugby retirement is over rated.

When I read this I though we had a rugby player in our midst. Then I panned up the screen and saw Rugby's post! Suddenly it all made sense.

 

[JohnK]

It isn't - it is the quality/experience of the programmers/testers.

Where poor quality has become acceptable?

I refused to learn Java/Javascript or any other internet language bug I struggle to understand how pressing one button on the screen can yield different results on the various browsers.

 

[Quickstatus]

Where poor quality has become acceptable?

I refused to learn Java/Javascript or any other internet language bug I struggle to understand how pressing one button on the screen can yield different results on the various browsers.

I wonder what happened to all those "Java Evangelists".

 

[TheRealTMA]

I wonder what happened to all those "Java Evangelists".

The moved on to .Net and C "octothorpe".

 

[TheRealTMA]

Where poor quality has become acceptable?

I refused to learn Java/Javascript or any other internet language bug I struggle to understand how pressing one button on the screen can yield different results on the various browsers.

As an apparent computer person you should know there are as many different responses as there are programmers.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Where poor quality has become acceptable?

I refused to learn Java/Javascript or any other internet language bug I struggle to understand how pressing one button on the screen can yield different results on the various browsers.

it shouldn't, but companies save money on their IT, instead of viewing it as an integral part of the business.

"Internet" shouldn't be different - it s just realtime programming. Yes Internet is more complicated than the realtime stuff and you have got the complication that different browsers behave differently and have different features. At the end of the day if stuff is not working, it comes down to programming and testing and what resources the company is prepared to put behind it.

Clearing cookies is good advice - I always clear cookies when I get weird stuff happening - sometimes helps, sometimes doesn't. It could also be locks on records that haven't cleared yet.

I am really out out of date with all this stuff, but like you I don't believe it has to be as bad as it is.

 

[drron]

Semi retirement though is close to perfection.

 

[Denali]

Semi retirement though is close to perfection.

My husband has been much more relaxed and happy since Feb.

Although I do have to remind him to shower occasionally.

 

[JohnK]

As an apparent computer person you should know there are as many different responses as there are programmers.

Qantas hotels as part of the Qantas group should pride itself on the services it provides. It's not acceptable that I choose one option and be sold another.

And now it is up to me to sort out with inferior customer service.

Welcome to the world we have created where it's ok to pay out management big bucks to oversee a huge reduction in services. Sad.

 

[Milboo]

Ugh...my neighbour let me know that we have a rat problem - directly related to another neighbour having chickens no doubt.

It does explain how something got knocked over in my yard the other night.

 

[Denali]

A friend uses this doggy hotel up Newcastle NSW way, its like a resort for dogs and you can order spa treatements for them.

My nephews wife uses one at Blue Mountains, its like 1 acre per dog rule and they get their own couches and photos are sent every day to the owners of them playing and max 8 dogs at any time. This place gets booked out a year in advance.

Doggy Day Care is big business.

 

[Flying mermaid]

My husband has been much more relaxed and happy since Feb.

Although I do have to remind him to shower occasionally.

we love retirement - 3 years now and it had just whizzed by....

 

[Denali]

My brother once had an adorable rhodesian ridgeback but sheesh, it was dumb. Like get stuck in the pug dog doggy door 4 days in a row and couldnt figure out why, dumb.

Adorable though. Would love one if we were to take on a big dog - which, we're not.

 

[whatmeworry]

Ugh...my neighbour let me know that we have a rat problem - directly related to another neighbour having chickens no doubt.

It does explain how something got knocked over in my yard the other night.

I have heard stories of Chickens tearing apart rodents.

 

[RB]

Welcome to the world we have created where it's ok to pay out management big bucks to oversee a huge reduction in services. Sad.

Rather sweeping statement/simplification to drag the two together?

 

[anat0l]

I wonder what happened to all those "Java Evangelists".

The moved on to .Net and C "octothorpe".

I did all my IT degree work in Java / JSP. Does that make me evangelical? Didn't even know there was a cult.

FWIW I now teach programming in VB.NET and Python. Not sure if I'll go back to Java, but it is still used in app development.

In any case, as they say, a good programmer should be able to write good programs irrespective of the code language.

it shouldn't, but companies save money on their IT, instead of viewing it as an integral part of the business.

This. It's a combination of programmer laziness / lack of attention and management having unreasonable expectations. Testing is often neglected and only tests for standard operation, not for failure.

The diversity of browsers out there is insane, and add to that the variables of OS, security policies etc and connection quality. Even between versions of the same browser, you may not get the same outcome. That shouldn't stop developers from testing on at least a wide range of common configurations (which should include resource stressed configurations as well). I would like to think that different browsers should really only affect rendering and not the state information (i.e. underlying operation), but there you go.

Clearing cache / cookies is fine for browser ops, but mobile apps is slightly different, even if the app is simply a kiosked browser into the mobile version of the website. In some cases, the cache or cookies can't be force cleared (short of uninstall / wipe).

 

[TheRealTMA]

I did all my IT degree work in Java / JSP. Does that make me evangelical? Didn't even know there was a cult.

FWIW I now teach programming in VB.NET and Python. Not sure if I'll go back to Java, but it is still used in app development.

In any case, as they say, a good programmer should be able to write good programs irrespective of the code language.

If you didn't start with FORTRAN or B, or assembler in 65/8**, you don't actually count.

But I absolutely agree with your last statement above.

 

[JessicaTam]

Did someone mention how much they hate cancer? Count me in. (Mother of a friend.)

 

[Quickstatus]

I did all my IT degree work in Java / JSP. Does that make me evangelical? Didn't even know there was a cult.

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Almost a cult. Term borrowed from religious circles. The Java evangelist was essentially early adopters who had a following who spruiked Java until apparently it's use became widespread.

I can program the Foxtel box. Beyond that zip...
Though I did write a program once
10 Print "Hello world"
20 Goto 10

 

[Bundy Bear]

Did someone mention how much they hate cancer? Count me in. (Mother of a friend.)

QF WP, I agree sad to hear.