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But the 1K and 1F I was just handed for my flights PER-SYD and SYD-WLG is even better:!::shock::mrgreen:

Advanced apoligies to those on the flight who deserve to sit in Row 1! Although I'm sure the likely CL/WP sitting next to me won't appreciate the 19 year old in jeans and a t-shirt!

Hey if the shoe fits, wear it! At least if you're in jeans they'll know you're not staff.

I'm sure a CL/WP would be happier sitting next to you than a JQ cabin crew member in row 1 whinging they didn't get their meal (CSM was leaving them until last) then complaining they don't eat seafood when that's all that was left. :rolleyes:

Sounds like they got a dose of what they expect their pax to put up with everyday!
 
But the 1K and 1F I was just handed for my flights PER-SYD and SYD-WLG is even better:!::shock::mrgreen:
Stupidity. I can see why a lot of top tier frequent flyers are upset at constant enhancements. They should never, under any circumstances, hand out op-ups to Bronze status while there are higher status frequent flyers sitting in economy. Even if they need tp make some room to sit families, friends together then move people around to ensure that higher status frequent flyers get the op-up. But this is the type of stupidity I have come to expect from QF. Enough said....

Did anyone notice that I recently hit 1,000 posts.
I have now. ;)
 
Stupidity. I can see why a lot of top tier frequent flyers are upset at constant enhancements. They should never, under any circumstances, hand out op-ups to Bronze status while there are higher status frequent flyers sitting in economy. Even if they need tp make some room to sit families, friends together then move people around to ensure that higher status frequent flyers get the op-up. But this is the type of stupidity I have come to expect from QF. Enough said....

I think some platinum frequent flyers should get over themselves. Be grateful for the op-ups you get and don't begrudge someone else getting one.
 
Stupidity. I can see why a lot of top tier frequent flyers are upset at constant enhancements. They should never, under any circumstances, hand out op-ups to Bronze status while there are higher status frequent flyers sitting in economy. Even if they need tp make some room to sit families, friends together then move people around to ensure that higher status frequent flyers get the op-up. But this is the type of stupidity I have come to expect from QF. Enough said....

No one has any idea how he got the op-up, and it might be just conceivable. We'd expect it to be very rare, however. And if you were to find an airline that never did this kind of thing, well, all I have to say to you is, "Good luck", and that's being way too polite...

Besides, Must...Fly! didn't mention if there were any elites left in Economy (and he probably wouldn't know). He only mentioned that he probably sat next to one who was seated in Business (whether prima facie ticketed or upgraded).

Let me make it clear once more:
  • It is not inconceivable for NBs to get op-ups, but they are rare.
  • It is not inconceivable for lower elites (or non-elites) to be op-upped before higher tier elites on any airline, but these circumstances are rare.
Moreover, this scenario has not been verified one single bit that it fits the latter description, so I'd save your rant, rage and adrenalin for a more appropriate moment.
 
I think some platinum frequent flyers should get over themselves. Be grateful for the op-ups you get and don't begrudge someone else getting one.

Moreover, what are the enhancements to op-ups that have been published or proven? None? (Note that the aforementioned is not a precedent!) Alrighty then - lower your weapons, people!
 
I think some platinum frequent flyers should get over themselves. Be grateful for the op-ups you get and don't begrudge someone else getting one.

Moreover, this scenario has not been verified one single bit that it fits the latter description, so I'd save your rant, rage and adrenalin for a more appropriate moment.
Sorry guys but I did not attack anyone (if that is the way it came out then I apologise and it is not the fault of a Bronze member they got the op-up) and I am entitled to have an opinion and align my expectations to what I believe would be a fairer system of handing out any sort of op-ups. Enough said.... for now....
 
Sorry guys but I did not attack anyone (if that is the way it came out then I apologise and it is not the fault of a Bronze member they got the op-up) and I am entitled to have an opinion and align my expectations to what I believe would be a fairer system of handing out any sort of op-ups. Enough said.... for now....

You are entitled to your opinion, as much as I am entitled to try and realign your magnets :mrgreen:

(BTW - If you attacked anything it was Qantas)
 
...I am entitled to have an opinion and align my expectations to what I believe would be a fairer system of handing out any sort of op-ups. Enough said.... for now....

You are entitled to an opinion (at least in this country, I think) but the 'Stupidity' qualifier plus the first clause of your post seemed to imply:
  • You presumed that the 'unfortunate' scenario that our NB friend was op-upped over other elites 'incorrectly' actually happened, when we have no idea that it actually did.
  • As a result, you have no basis to assume that QF screwed up royally as your first words would imply. They may not be perfect, but unless we are working on a presumption of the accused has the onus of proof of innocence, then it's not fair to accuse them when we have no further detail of the situation.
  • Op-ups are not a listed benefit by any means and I would challenge anyone at all to show strong evidence that any of the op-up systems have changed in the last 12 months. So to accuse QF of "enhancing" op-up policies is false because so far no one has strongly suggested that it has markedly changed.
The rest of your post is fine, albeit I don't agree completely with it. But credit where credit is due at the right time and place, and the same with criticism.

The only time your post would be 'fine' is if we work on a system of 'guilty until proven innocent'. At least I believe in Australia this is not the case, but I could be very wrong (just as my faith in democracy is strongly shaken)...
 
Sorry guys but I did not attack anyone (if that is the way it came out then I apologise and it is not the fault of a Bronze member they got the op-up) and I am entitled to have an opinion and align my expectations to what I believe would be a fairer system of handing out any sort of op-ups. Enough said.... for now....

Without knowing the particular stats on Must Fly's flights it is possible that at this time of year there are not a lot of WPs, if any on flights in Dec/Jan on certain flights so maybe his type of airfare showed him as being recommended to go up.

Quite possibly they may have wanted his Y seat if there was a spare one next to it in order to seat 2 other pax together so MF did QF a favour by vacating his seat.

I know this scenario happened to another AFFer recently when he was in 4C & 4B was free & they moved him into J to get a couple together.
 
You are entitled to your opinion, as much as I am entitled to try and realign your magnets :mrgreen:
No, my expectations are not likely to change that easily. I think the USA has an extremely fair system when it comes to op-ups and upgrades although they do go over the top a little by ensuring that the premium cabin is always filled.

In my warped opinion, read high expectation, I believe that a priority list for op-ups should exist similar to the processing of international points upgrades and be purely based on status, fare class then seniority.

This will ensure that Bronze and lower status flyers never get op-ups before higher status frequent flyers. Sorry but I do not see anything wrong with this type of expectation. It seems like the logical thing to do. You do the yards and reap the rewards even if it is not an official benefit of status.

And yes Anat0l I am making the assumption that higher status frequent flyers have been left behind in economy....
 
Quite possibly they may have wanted his Y seat if there was a spare one next to it in order to seat 2 other pax together so MF did QF a favour by vacating his seat.

I know this scenario happened to another AFFer recently when he was in 4C & 4B was free & they moved him into J to get a couple together.
Sorry ozbeachbabe but how hard would it be to move Bronze out of seat so couple can sit together, move another Platinum, Gold, Silver, Qantas Lounge member to business, move Bronze to recently vacated seat?

If what I am reading and hearing is correct then I believe with Altea this should be happening anyway with Proactive Onload. Altea creates a priority list for op-ups and a check-in agent should not be allowed to override priority list.
 
Sorry ozbeachbabe but how hard would it be to move Bronze out of seat so couple can sit together, move another Platinum, Gold, Silver, Qantas Lounge member to business, move Bronze to recently vacated seat?

If what I am reading and hearing is correct then I believe with Altea this should be happening anyway with Proactive Onload. Altea creates a priority list for op-ups and a check-in agent should not be allowed to override priority list.

I don't know the full details, but I think it is understandable that if the need came up late in the piece, after people had checked in, you would want to minimise the number of people you were shuffling about the cabin.
 
And yes Anat0l I am making the assumption that higher status frequent flyers have been left behind in economy....

So you are pressing your assumption to be correct for the purpose of pushing your opinion strongly but also to have an unfair swing at QF for what is a non-verified situation? Doesn't seem fair.

Sorry ozbeachbabe but how hard would it be to move Bronze out of seat so couple can sit together, move another Platinum, Gold, Silver, Qantas Lounge member to business, move Bronze to recently vacated seat?

Word to all Bronze members: your seating is definitely not guaranteed at all:!:

Also, I wonder how the pax in ozbeachbabe's story got the upgrade? For it to be an op-up, the couple would have had to request to have seats together before boarding started. Otherwise, it might have happened on board, which would then have almost nothing to do with op-ups.
 
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If what I am reading and hearing is correct then I believe with Altea this should be happening anyway with Proactive Onload. Altea creates a priority list for op-ups and a check-in agent should not be allowed to override priority list.
Reports indicate it's generated as a list that agents can refer to when manually moving seat allocations around.
 
ummm,can I play the devils advocate and ask whether this discussion is a bit "on topic" for this thread? shouldn't we be focussing on the important questions like how Bundy Bear ended up in Port Hedland?:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
Reports indicate it's generated as a list that agents can refer to when manually moving seat allocations around.

I guess what JohnK means as 'override' is that if an agent is using the list for referral then there is no room for discretion for the agent to deviate from that list.

More seriously, if all upgrades were audited against the generated Proactive Onload list for every flight, any discrepancies between expected Proactive Onload upgrades and actual upgrades would need to be heavily justified and/or would be internally penalised.

It would be silly if the list were generated but no agents would follow it.

Whilst in all scientific theory this makes sense, I have an inkling that it's not always as easy as that. Op-ups aren't easy even when the situation looks like it came straight from the textbook. The following thread on FT tends to give me some idea of what has to be done (although this is a US example, you can adapt it slightly for any other environment, even with a less active upgrade policy):

Operational upgrades from a gate agent's perspective - FlyerTalk Forums
 
ummm,can I play the devils advocate and ask whether this discussion is a bit "on topic" for this thread? shouldn't we be focussing on the important questions like how Bundy Bear ended up in Port Hedland?:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

That subthread is already complete. Now let's move to the next subthread.
 
So you are pressing your assumption to be correct for the purpose of pushing your opinion strongly but also to have an unfair swing at QF for what is a non-verified situation? Doesn't seem fair.
Pushing an opinion? Is that the same as posting an opinion? Right or wrong it is just an opinion Anat0l.

I would be extremely surprised if a Bronze gets business class boarding passes for 2 totally unrelated flights and there was not a single higher status member left in economy on either flight. One flight I can understand but 2 flights.

P.S my friend who does not hold any status on any airline received an op-up from BA to premium economy. In my warped opinion mis-directed op-ups happen way too often to be called rare.

But yes you are right op-ups are not a published benefit for any status frequent flyer.

Word to all Bronze members: your seating is definitely not guaranteed at all:!:
Is anyone's seating guaranteed? Have a chat to Bundy Bear on how QF can treat high status frequent flyers if you are not certain.
 
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