UK election 2019

[Renato1]

This is incorrect; 45.3% voted for Conservatives and The Brexit party, 46.4% voted for Labour, Lib Dems and the greens.

The most important part (with first past the post voting) was that 43.5% voted Conservative and the next best was Labour with 32.1%.

You seem to forget Labour was - technically/sort of/if the people finally do want it we'll do it, but only with a deal that leaves us a vassal state - a pro-Brexit Party.

The Liberal Democrats were the ones who ran on abolishing the results of the referendum.

The interesting thing is whether having dumped progressive Remainers from the Conservative Party, it will actually be a conservative party, or remain the progressive-lite party that it has been. Most the legislation that drives conservatives wild - of the must not offend anybody type, or we'll send police around to counsel or charge you for your hurtful tweet (while knife crimes and gang violence run amok) - has been implemented under a Tory government. Labour just promised more of it.
Cheers,
Renato

 

[drron]

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[Happy Trails]

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People may question his trustworthiness, but locking up the books seems a bit over the top.

 

[Spongbob]

As for Scotland - it's hilarious. They've voted for the supposed nationalist party who's leader wants to overthrow the yoke of the English in order to be under the bigger yoke of the Germans and French.

This outcome might be hilarious, but it is their choice (i.e. vote).

How does the Conservative Party argue Brexit respects the "majority" in the 2016 vote (52% v 48% - with several million not voting), yet also argue the SNP vote (be that Remain or Scotland independence) can be ignored?

 

[TonyHancock]

........What is clear in the anglosphere that what the most important qualification for election is in depth media experience of some form or another.

I am not sure that was the case in the UK election. I think one of the reasons Labour failed was because it did focus on media and did not go out and knock on the doors in its traditional heartland. I think coughmings read this well, just as he did in the original peoples vote referendum in 2016.

 

[amaroo]

This outcome might be hilarious, but it is their choice (i.e. vote).

How does the Conservative Party argue Brexit respects the "majority" in the 2016 vote (52% v 48% - with several million not voting), yet also argue the SNP vote (be that Remain or Scotland independence) can be ignored?

The Scot’s had their opportunity in the 2014 referendum.

85% turnout with 55.3% saying No.

 

[OATEK]

This outcome might be hilarious, but it is their choice (i.e. vote).

How does the Conservative Party argue Brexit respects the "majority" in the 2016 vote (52% v 48% - with several million not voting), yet also argue the SNP vote (be that Remain or Scotland independence) can be ignored?

The Scot’s had their opportunity in the 2014 referendum.

85% turnout with 55.3% saying No.

The Scots had the same opportunity as the Brexiters, through a referendum. It's just that Brexit was not honoured by Parliament, and the Scottish one was. It was quite clear at the time that the Scottish vote was a once in a generation opportunity. It's just the the SNP pay as much notice to that as the remainer MPs did to the Brexit vote.

 

[Renato1]

This outcome might be hilarious, but it is their choice (i.e. vote).

How does the Conservative Party argue Brexit respects the "majority" in the 2016 vote (52% v 48% - with several million not voting), yet also argue the SNP vote (be that Remain or Scotland independence) can be ignored?

Since when did the Conservatives say the SNP vote can be ignored?

The Scots had a referendum in 2014 for independence, and 55.3% voted against it (most probably because they would be considerably poorer if they became independent).

As for the millions not voting in a referendum, your implication is that any referendum is illegitimate if some people do not vote in it which, if so, means that all referendums where there is no complusory voting can be rendered illegitimate just by people staying home and not bothering to vote. Thus no point having them.
Regards,
Renato

P.S. Not that I understand English and Scots.

I was once having drinks with a bunch of English people in a hotel in Italy just after a World Cup. I asked,
"Can you please tell me something I've always wanted to know?
England and Scotland both field powerful teams in the World Cup, and usually lose. Why don't they combine and have a British team, and just wipe out the competition - bringing the World Cup home far more often?"

Their answer was,
"You just don't understand"

 

[Renato1]

I've seen quite a few funny videos on why Labour lost, but this one takes the cake,

Regards,
Renato

 

[Quickstatus]

Pretty much sums it up.
The silent majority again making a statement at the polls.

 

[drron]

I have to say that young woman who says she is going to work in the NHS as a doctor should be looking foir another profession.Such a total lack of empathy for those from the working class that are likely to make up a good proportion of her patients doesn't bode well for them.

 

[dajop]

Pretty much sums it up.
The silent majority again making a statement at the polls.

I'm still not convinced that the silent majority is making their own statement (whether it's the UK or elsewhere) (and indeed I'm also not convinced the "leftist" losers" as they are described are thinking for themselves either). All just absorbing the doom gloom scenarios that clever manipulative media organisations (Rupert, I'm looking at you on the right, and various actors on the left), advancing their own interests above all else.

The reason I say this is a very FF relevant topic. I was discussing with some friends and relatives (who almost definitely would be in that silent majority) who I was visiting after flying back to Melbourne, and they were asking how I feel about flying, specifically calling out Qantas and concerns about safety because of the 737 issues a little while back. Love them all dearly, but just parroting the over-dramatising media (who have to get peoples attention somehow) , I reassured them that the grounding of those few planes was actually a positive .. they found the problems and were fixing it. But it's any wonder that 1/3 of the population is scared witless about the influence of "outsiders" and the influence of trade, whilst another third is scared witless about the " impending catastrophe of global warming". And the other 1/3 ? Either don't care ("life will go on") and/or actually ignore all the rubbish that media and social media puts to us.

Goodness, I'm being way to cynical for a Tuesday morning. I think I need a nice glass or three of something .... .

 

[amaroo]

Some Scottish numbers...

1979 Devolution Referendum

Yes - 51.62%
No - 48.38%
Turnout - 63.72%

2014 Independence Referendum

No - 55.3%
Yes - 44.70%
Turnout - 84.59%

2019 UK Election (Scotland result)

SNP - 45%
Turnout - 68.1%

One would think a big chunk of 16.49% of the populace that didn't bother to vote last week would be voting NO if there was another referendum. Add the influx of young voters over the last 5 years that would supposedly/allegedly be voting YES, it all adds up to a very probable No vote winning the day.

 

[Quickstatus]

I think every time there is an election for a new government, a referenda should also be held on the most important questions of the day.
We are not only voting for our representatives in parliament but also how they should vote in parliament

 

[drron]

A good article by Chris Uhlmann in the SMH.

The people who lost the election for British Labour hate the working class

The Labour Party should have pitched its tent with working people but it did not.

www.smh.com.au

 

[CaptJCool]

A good article by Chris Uhlmann in the SMH.

The people who lost the election for British Labour hate the working class

The Labour Party should have pitched its tent with working people but it did not.

www.smh.com.au

It is evident across the Western world that there is now a chasm dividing inner-city internationalists and the working-class nationalists who sustain their lifestyles. Many in wealthy city sanctums are now so disconnected from their sources of food, wealth and energy that they are voting against them or seeking to ban them.

Britain is in the midst of a working-class revolt | John Harris

Across the nation this past week I’ve heard the same refrain: ‘No one listens to us, no one cares.’ Now those ignored for so long are demanding a voice

www.theguardian.com

 

[amaroo]

Good article in the Oz about the lessons from the UK election...

Lesson No 10.

Conservative parties in Australia should stop spending so much time and money trying to win seats such as Wentworth and Higgins — they will eventually lose them. Concentrate on keeping Longman and Lindsay instead, and a swathe of other lower to middle-class seats.

Take comfort from the Tories winning the seat of Bassetlaw, a former mining region in the Midlands held by Labour since 1935, securing an 18 per cent swing to win 55 per cent of the vote. Maybe voters did lend Johnson their votes. But it makes more sense to try to extend the loan period than trying to win over inner-city woke warriors.

In Australia, that means letting Labor and the Greens battle for votes from urban elites who want to simultaneously change the climate and lead a workers’ revolution.

 

[dajop]

Good article in the Oz about the lessons from the UK election...

Lesson No 10.

Conservative parties in Australia should stop spending so much time and money trying to win seats such as Wentworth and Higgins — they will eventually lose them. Concentrate on keeping Longman and Lindsay instead, and a swathe of other lower to middle-class seats.

Nothing new there, John Howard worked that out years ago, with his "battlers". I think though at some point, the left side of politics (but maybe not the disciples of the green religion) will work it out that they're on a hiding to nothing.

 

[CaptJCool]

Nothing new there, John Howard worked that out years ago, with his "battlers". I think though at some point, the left side of politics (but maybe not the disciples of the green religion) will work it out that they're on a hiding to nothing.

I think when the smoke settles we will see some scathing reports about ‘woke” bush clearing strategies ie non-existent. Overgrowth sucks excessive water out of the ground as all plants by for succour

I don’t fundamentally see ultra wealthy people turning in large numbers the ruins of a working lass party.

Hard working people aren’t making “money while they sleep” so don’t seem to fancy ultras nor wokes....

For a centrist party to emerge from the Ashes, they need obtain at least 4 different groupings of voters. Those on the edges of the major parties plus fringe indies plus their own rusted ons. The route to power is littered with “dead Messiahs” who didn’t make it. Xenophen and Aus Dems and the Lib Dems in the UK WHO held balance of power in 2010, formed a coalition and were devastated by the Tories in 2015 when abandoned by 3 of their groupings in one fell swoop. And 4 years later, same deal.....

Of course they could part the Red Sea like President Macron and first step through with 24%. He was never that popular in France so never had to be that bothered about what the voters thought

 

[drron]

According to one Unsuccessful Tory if the Brexit party had not run at all the Tories may have won another 34 seats from Labor.

The Brexit Party actually saved the Labour Party from annihilation last week in places like Sunderland | BrexitCentral

Last Thursday was a dreadful day for the Labour Party – but it could and should have been far, far worse. There are 34 seats where the Brexit Party vote was larger than the margin of Conservative Party loss. In other words, 34 Labour MPs have survived thanks to Nigel Farage. Those Labour MPs who …

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