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Oops sorry I meant it's IST-PVG-MEL, not PEK.

Can they route you to Sydney (TG or OZ) and your make your own way down to Melbourne?

routing back into SYD rather than MEL would make the ticket an open jaw, meaning no other stopovers allowed.
 
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Can they route you to Sydney (TG or OZ) and your make your own way down to Melbourne?

I would prefer not to do that.

It's for my Dad and while he's perfectly capable of finding his way around an airport his routing of ABZ-FRA-PEK-(PVG)-MEL is in excess of 30 hours already.

Without going too far off topic LifeMiles won't allow ABZ in the online search even though LH (Cityline) now operates 3 x daily there - US sees it no problem though.

My gut feeling is that 2 x overnight flights on CA will be fine anyway. I'll stick him on a TG A380 on the way back for a bit of variety!
 
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I was hoping some more experienced hands could give me some advice. I'm looking to make my first USDM booking soon, and I want to get from Perth to either New York or Toronto in July/August next year.

I'm happy to avoid some of the amazingly complicated routes I've seen some people achieve success with! Can anyone suggest favourable straight forward routing with reasonable (predicted) availability?
 
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TK business on the 777 is supposed to be excellent - great food and full flat sleepers + personal chef thingy. I would try that as an option coming home. I've flown CA plenty of times. Mostly it has been very good. The only 'bad' time was 772 aricraft with 42' pitch combined with some mediocre food. But even then it wasn't that bad.

You should be able to TWOV in Shnaghai for up to 48 hours. Would make it well worthwhile if you haven't already used a stopover.

Didn't know TK did a "personal chef" type thing. Is that like SQ's book the cook?
 
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Didn't know TK did a "personal chef" type thing. Is that like SQ's book the cook?

no.

but since I need at least 10 characters for an answer - I thought I would clarify my earlier post saying CA has been 'very good' :) What I meant by that is CA is good for what they are - a mid tier carrier. If you board CA with high expectations you will likely be disappointed.... but I've had a couple of flights where their crew service has been equal to QF domestic business (on a good day for QF). Not to mention that CA came through with availability at times when there was nothing else, and when the cost of flying CA J was 1/2 the cost of flying economy on JL or NH. So I was happy form the outset.
 
Didn't know TK did a "personal chef" type thing. Is that like SQ's book the cook?

No. It's not really a personal chef, it's a (supposedly bona fide) chef on board who takes your order and prepares your meal. Bit gimmicky, not sure if your food is therefore fresher (or at least you can rely on it being cooked properly).

I hope that's what it is - I think I recall that from their website.

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Re: Daily Deal today $4.98 for 500 points

I was hoping some more experienced hands could give me some advice. I'm looking to make my first USDM booking soon, and I want to get from Perth to either New York or Toronto in July/August next year.

I'm happy to avoid some of the amazingly complicated routes I've seen some people achieve success with! Can anyone suggest favourable straight forward routing with reasonable (predicted) availability?

Hmmm.... PER is a bit tricky heading East because you can't fly to SYD or MEL (the most logical routing) so you'll probably have to fly to BKK first.

I think the most logical *A route is PER-BKK-ICN-JFK, or PER-BKK-ICN-SFO-YYZ/JFK.

Of course, you may be lucky enough to get PER-AKL-YYZ but NZ availability long-haul is pretty rare.
 
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no.

but since I need at least 10 characters for an answer - I thought I would clarify my earlier post saying CA has been 'very good' :) What I meant by that is CA is good for what they are - a mid tier carrier. If you board CA with high expectations you will likely be disappointed.... but I've had a couple of flights where their crew service has been equal to QF domestic business (on a good day for QF). Not to mention that CA came through with availability at times when there was nothing else, and when the cost of flying CA J was 1/2 the cost of flying economy on JL or NH. So I was happy form the outset.

Glad that you clarified your comments.

My only recent long haul experience with CA was distinctly underwhelming. Travelling in paid business class on the CA166 evening flight MEL-PEK early this year and there was no lounge available for J class pax on departure from MEL. CA gate agent (unconvincingly) said this was due to some renovations and / or opening time changes in their supplier lounge/s, but the bottom line was no lounge.

On board the seat wasn't too bad (A330), but cabin crew performance was very unimpressive from the start. The most disturbing thing was their complete lack of interest in the pre-departure safety briefing and procedures. This extended to allowing a mother and her 2 young kids to sit on seats and walk around the J cabin while we were taxying for departure. The F/As blithely ignored them, and they only sat and strapped in when we started the take-off roll. I find it astonishing to see that these days considering they must be subject to safety audits from CASA and Star Alliance partners.

On board catering and cabin service was unmemorable, which may be a good thing, but the wine served was undrinkable (a rarity for me) :shock:.

I would actively avoid flying with them in the future.

tb
 
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My only recent long haul experience with CA was distinctly underwhelming. Travelling in paid business class on the CA166 evening flight MEL-PEK early this year and there was no lounge available for J class pax on departure from MEL. CA gate agent (unconvincingly) said this was due to some renovations and / or opening time changes in their supplier lounge/s, but the bottom line was no lounge.

The Air NZ lounge was closed when you were flying CA? Otherwise, you should've been able to use this lounge (no need for an agreement - it is a *A registered lounge and thus falls under the standard *A operational agreement for *A airline J passengers).

On board the seat wasn't too bad (A330), but cabin crew performance was very unimpressive from the start. The most disturbing thing was their complete lack of interest in the pre-departure safety briefing and procedures. This extended to allowing a mother and her 2 young kids to sit on seats and walk around the J cabin while we were taxying for departure. The F/As blithely ignored them, and they only sat and strapped in when we started the take-off roll. I find it astonishing to see that these days considering they must be subject to safety audits from CASA and Star Alliance partners.

HA! Asian airline regulations are rarely that rigorous (with a few exceptions). Most of it is the external part rather than the internal one. It's also a cultural thing (particularly Chinese, as I found out when flying intra-Asia sometimes). I know for myself I can fly TG J and it is perfectly 'normal' to leave your shoes in your foot well / area (or for front row J, against the bulkhead), whereas on QF, VA and many others, this would be an auto-no-no.

When I flew SQ one time inbound to SIN, as we touched down on the runway, about a dozen Chinese (presumably returning home) got up and started opening the lockers as if we were already docked at the gate. The poor SQ FAs in the zone had a terrible time (and almost fruitless effort) telling everyone to sit down until we came to a stop at the gate.

Essentially, until someone is killed or unless the impact is on the outside (i.e. engine problems, etc. - stuff which doesn't happen inside the fuselage), no one will really care about the "safety" of these carriers.........

I would actively avoid flying with them in the future.

.......but short of reporting them to a safety authority, this is something that you can always do if you feel it warranted.
 
Safety culture is the issue

The Air NZ lounge was closed when you were flying CA? Otherwise, you should've been able to use this lounge (no need for an agreement - it is a *A registered lounge and thus falls under the standard *A operational agreement for *A airline J passengers).

Yes, the NZ lounge was closed at the time and another lounge which they allegedly had an arrangement with (I forget which one) was 'closed for cleaning'. It was a scheduled 20:30 departure slot on a Monday evening.


HA! Asian airline regulations are rarely that rigorous (with a few exceptions). Most of it is the external part rather than the internal one. It's also a cultural thing (particularly Chinese, as I found out when flying intra-Asia sometimes). I know for myself I can fly TG J and it is perfectly 'normal' to leave your shoes in your foot well / area (or for front row J, against the bulkhead), whereas on QF, VA and many others, this would be an auto-no-no.

When I flew SQ one time inbound to SIN, as we touched down on the runway, about a dozen Chinese (presumably returning home) got up and started opening the lockers as if we were already docked at the gate. The poor SQ FAs in the zone had a terrible time (and almost fruitless effort) telling everyone to sit down until we came to a stop at the gate.

Essentially, until someone is killed or unless the impact is on the outside (i.e. engine problems, etc. - stuff which doesn't happen inside the fuselage), no one will really care about the "safety" of these carriers.........



.......but short of reporting them to a safety authority, this is something that you can always do if you feel it warranted.


I guess we are drifting further and further OT, but actually I work in air safety, including with a number of Asian carriers, and fly a lot with some of them, and have rarely seen such blatant disregard for the safety brief and procedures. Most F/As will at least make the effort to look interested and ask pax to conform to requirements. SQ F/As, for example, will usually insist that pax keep footwear on for take-off and landing sequences (in case of the need for an emergency evac).

Culture is of course a powerful influence, but the aviation industry has global safety requirements and while adherence to these varies considerably, as noted I am surprised that *A partners have not influenced CA standards more. BTW, I did not read this as a lack of assertiveness on the part of the CA F/As, as can be observed with some cultures, but more a lack of interest in safety procedures and standards, which is more symptomatic of deficiency in organisational safety culture than an issue of national or ethnographic culture.

Pax behaviour is another issue, but of course they will often do what they are allowed to get away with... As a point of contrast I was on a Jet Airways departure from DEL to HKG a few weeks later and the F/A in the J cabin pointedly insisted that two businessmen who were chatting desist and pay attention to the safety brief and demo. Gold star for her.

tb
 
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The most disturbing thing was their complete lack of interest in the pre-departure safety briefing and procedures. This extended to allowing a mother and her 2 young kids to sit on seats and walk around the J cabin while we were taxying for departure. The F/As blithely ignored them, and they only sat and strapped in when we started the take-off roll. I find it astonishing to see that these days considering they must be subject to safety audits from CASA and Star Alliance partners.

And I have been on a UA B747 where the entire cabin crew weren't paying attention and every single one of them was standing having a chat in the galley when we began our takeoff roll. A couple of crew made it to the exits, but the rest of them sat down on the floor, backs to the bulkheads, and wedged into passengers' feet.

So it's not just CA that has lapses in safety.

CA plays the safety demo, and they are not alone in NOT standing at the front of the cabin during the whole demo. Plenty of airlines only appear at the front now to point to the exits, then resume their duties.


SQ F/As, for example, will usually insist that pax keep footwear on for take-off and landing sequences (in case of the need for an emergency evac).

QF however does not (insist on 'shoes-on'). So it's not just a CA issue.

CA is a very safe airline - as far as I can see they have only had one accident involving fatalities. That's a pretty good record.

Back on topic - their new hardware - full flat seats in business class is a real bonus and sets them amongst industry best.
 
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What are the opening hours for US DM to book? Sorry if I have missed the answer in my search.

Also would this be a valid routing?

SYD-ICN-LHR (stop) CDG-ICN (stopover)-SYD

The ICN-LHR flight requires an overnight stop in Seoul.It cannot be helped.

Will this be classed as a stopover, which given my open jaw and stopover in ICN on the way back, would be prohibited?
 
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What are the opening hours for US DM to book? Sorry if I have missed the answer in my search.

Also would this be a valid routing?

SYD-ICN-LHR (stop) CDG-ICN (stopover)-SYD

The ICN-LHR flight requires an overnight stop in Seoul.It cannot be helped.

Will this be classed as a stopover, which given my open jaw and stopover in ICN on the way back, would be prohibited?

USDM is open 24/7. You can use Skype to call the free 1800 number.

How long is the overnight stop in Seoul? As long as it is less than 24 hours it doesn't count as a stopover.

As you pointed out, a stopover and open jaw isn't allowed.
 
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What are the opening hours for US DM to book? Sorry if I have missed the answer in my search.

Also would this be a valid routing?

SYD-ICN-LHR (stop) CDG-ICN (stopover)-SYD

The ICN-LHR flight requires an overnight stop in Seoul.It cannot be helped.

Will this be classed as a stopover, which given my open jaw and stopover in ICN on the way back, would be prohibited?

I find that they pick up any time of day or night and whoever answers always seems able to do DM bookings.

Yes, your forced stopover (if it's >24 hours) will be prohibited because of your open jaw.
 
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I think the most logical *A route is PER-BKK-ICN-JFK, or PER-BKK-ICN-SFO-YYZ/JFK.

Of course, you may be lucky enough to get PER-AKL-YYZ but NZ availability long-haul is pretty rare.
+1 for routing via BKK/ICN.

For AKL: also try PER-AKL-SFO(or LAX)-NYC.

If no availability, a scenic route is AKL-HNL-xx_-YYZ/NYC, where xx_ is any US city you can find (usually LAX or SFO).

PER-JNB-LHR/FRA-NYC is another out there way.
 
Appreciate if anyone would like to make comment on the following options please in terms of comfort and service. Thanks

based in CNS, thinking of 2 options:
SQ J bne - sin
TK J sin - ist A330
TK J ist - ath

TG J bne - bkk
LX J bkk - Zrh A340
LX J Zrh - Ath
 
Appreciate if anyone would like to make comment on the following options please in terms of comfort and service. Thanks

based in CNS, thinking of 2 options:
SQ J bne - sin
TK J sin - ist A330
TK J ist - ath

TG J bne - bkk
LX J bkk - Zrh A340
LX J Zrh - Ath

Definitely go the SQ/TK option if you can find the availability!
 
Appreciate if anyone would like to make comment on the following options please in terms of comfort and service. Thanks

based in CNS, thinking of 2 options:
SQ J bne - sin
TK J sin - ist A330
TK J ist - ath

TG J bne - bkk
LX J bkk - Zrh A340
LX J Zrh - Ath

Definitely go the SQ/TK option if you can find the availability!

I'm actually more split on this one!

SQ regional J probably trumps TG J. Both have angled lie-flat seats (unless SQ BNE-SIN uses non-regional aircraft), but SQ's is wider. TG J give real amenity kits (small but sufficient), cf. SQ J is just a shoe bag. Food is almost dead even, but the edge probably goes to SQ.

At the first transit point, IIRC flying TK J is from SIN T1. If memory serves me correctly, there is a TG J lounge there and possibly another CIP lounge (third party) which may be used by TK. You can also shuttle over to T2 or T3 to use the KrisFlyer Gold lounge. I'm not sure any of those lounges are good (I know that the KrisFlyer Gold lounges have no showers). On the other hand, in BKK you can use any of TG's J Lounges, or even the SQ SilverKris lounge. TG's J Lounges definitely have showers. The food is nothing to write home about (though that also applies in SIN), but it'll keep you happy enough. Computers do work, albeit a bit slowly (but acceptable).

Further afield I'm tempted to say LX J trumps TK J, even though I haven't flown either (I've flown LX F and can highly attest to their service!). Saying that, TK IST J Lounge probably does much better than LX ZRH J Lounge, although the latter should be very sufficient (and much better than, say, LH FRA J Lounges). But if the transfer time between the inbound from Asia and the ATH flight is small enough, the lounge choice here will be immaterial.


My advice would be whichever option you pick will be fairly good, so it will come down to what will best suit your availability.
 
LX J of course trumps TK J because LX J is all full flat beds. TK J only offers that on their 777s. A330s and 340s have angled lie flats, and friends that have travelled on that were less than complimentary about the seats (service was good).

TK flies their 777 to PVG.
 
LX J of course trumps TK J because LX J is all full flat beds. TK J only offers that on their 777s. A330s and 340s have angled lie flats, and friends that have travelled on that were less than complimentary about the seats (service was good).

I thought the A330s had full flats?
 
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