What is your intention in relation to your QFF membership?

[Ansett]

I'd love to know why Perth to Middle East earns more SC than East coast to middle east, in discount Y.

What the ????

Perhaps they are trying to appease those QFF people left in WA

 

[medhead]

What the ????

Perhaps they are trying to appease those QFF people left in WA

Compare here:

Frequent Flyer - Fairer Flying

In fact it is more in all fare groups.

20, 40, 40, 80, 120 vs 30, 60, 60, 120, 180

 

[Princess Fiona]

I'd love to know why Perth to Middle East earns more SC than East coast to middle east, in discount Y.

It's not just discount Y. The differential exists in all classes on the Partner Award chart

 

[Deleted member]

Someone suggested a poll in the other thread, so I thought I would have a go.

What is your intention regarding your QFF membership given the latest changes? Staying or leaving?

And to avoid those who just come in and vote they're leaving, the poll is public.

I suspect few ( if any) are actually leaving. A more accurate poll would be: will you remain active with QF or and/ or look at other ff programmes. ?
I for one will not leave, I "may" need to look at alternative BFOD options until the dust settles and QF are happy with the final ( I don't believe this is the final) model.

 

[geordieladinoz]

SWMBO and I will remain with QF for the foreseeable future.

I have WP until June 2015 and enough forward bookings that mean WP should not be too hard to maintain until June 2016. Who knows if there will be a soft landing in 2016 and if QF would let me retain WP again for 1 year having had it for the previous 3 but I am sure there will be a lot more to worry about at that point in time.

The link up with EK was ideal for us so I guess it was too good to be true to have OW options and EK code shares. Our alternative would be AA Advantage for which we are already both members but have very little activity. That would be the nail in the EK coffin though so will stick with what we have.

We will have around 500k FF points again by the end of 2014 and my parents are talking about doing Y from NCL to DXB and J from DXB to SYD when they travel to see us in 2015. They can't really afford the J though so thinking a couple of classic awards for them would be best use of the points.

 

[Princess Fiona]

What the ????

Perhaps they are trying to appease those QFF people left in WA

I think to really appease everyone the solution is to build a SYD/MEL style F Lounge in PER :idea:

 

[Deleted member]

I think that one of two things will happen.
1: QF will see the error of their ways and go back ( even partially ) to how things were. Or
2: it's all a storm in a tea cup and QF will suffer a little to start with, but eventually it will all settle down.
One way or the other , nothing I do will have that much impact .......
From a personal perspective, I believe that for me the following is inevitable.
I will drop from WP to SG come /September 1st. And probably will need to rely on life membership for access to the QP going forward.
I am not a frequent ( enough) flyer to manage the lofty heights of some of those on this site.
If VA offer a similar deal to the old QF deal, I may reconsider my position.
But for now , I am firmly in the stay and suck it up camp.
But I shall fly a lot less often than I do now.
Someone ( Johnk I think) speculated the effect of about 9000 QFF members not spending their $2000 pa with qantas, even though I don't fly often I spend way more than that. So maybe the fall off will be greater than QF think.
It's all speculation and I suspect some water will need to flow under the bridge before things become clearer.

 

[SQ421]

Not too sure how BAEC works, but would switching over to BA11/12 in SIN on the same day still get 600 TPs? It's bookable as a connection on the website, and meets the SIN MCT.

Yes, that'd work too. I'd forgotten that BA does have other LHR-SIN-LHR flights. So yes, switching over to those flights would again count as 2 segments.

 

[Programme]

I'll stay with QFF when actually flying QF. Don't fly anywhere near enough to make it worthwhile joining other OneWorld FFPs: AAdvantage would take forever to accrue without buying points as it's hard to transfer credit card points there, and the 'hard' expiry of CX points is a dealbreaker.

Will be moving credit card earn away from QF direct sweep though, which will cost QF real money as they charge the banks for provision of the points...

 

[SQ421]

I'm staying, Qantas is under pressure from external competitors that don't have to pay Australian salary rates and conditions. While some has criticised its services from time to time, I'm O.K. with the product and level of service that I have been receiving over the years.

Given the computer I'm writing this on is made in china, the TV running in the background is made in Korea, the car I drive is German, made in Mexico; I don't see a problem with expecting value for money when it comes to my choice of Airline. Qantas will get my $$ when they start to compete on a combination of product, service and price.

 

[beardoc]

1500 TP per annum for Gold. Over the last few years I have averaged 2000 SC on QF. This is from long haul J travel mainly. Very little domestic to QF (I use VA dom). A SYD-LHR rtn gets 480 TP/ 480-560 SC so I think with my travel I would be in the ball park for BA Gold. I don't do enough segments per annum for AA and as my long haul travel is skewed towards Premium cabin there's no gain in AA earning there.

Intriguing - it seems that BAEC Gold is equally easy to game from YUP runs in the US (4 BA flights notwithstanding) - I could see a path to BAEC Gold in 4 days and about AUD3000 (albeit very long days of flying!) with only 5 minutes of searching.

I'm still seeing value for me in AAdvantage, but I will give BAEC some consideration as well. Certainly it seems much more like the QANTAS program than many others within the oneworld alliance.

EDIT: Scratch that. BA Gold in just over 72 hours and for about US$2000.

 

[Ansett]

So Looking at the initial results approximately 48% of those who responded are likely to make a change of sorts what are the potential implications to the Qantas business and loyalty.

 

[nlagalle]

So Looking at the initial results approximately 48% of those who responded are likely to make a change of sorts what are the potential implications to the Qantas business and loyalty.

I wouldn't extrapolate those figures into the real world. AFF is a small minority in the big world of 10 million FF....

 

[Ansett]

I wouldn't extrapolate those figures into the real world. AFF is a small minority in the big world of 10 million FF....

Agreed AF is a small proportion of the TOTAL QFF numbers however given that most members, and no disrespect here, are mainly silver and above how much of the total QF income and profit would AFF members represent?

 

[nlagalle]

Agreed AF is a small proportion of the TOTAL QFF numbers however given that most members, and no disrespect here, are mainly silver and above how much of the total QF income and profit would AFF members represent?

Still a small amount compared to the income AFF has.. there is roughly 60-70k of WP's out there for a start, not sure how many SG's..

 

[kempvet]

Wonder what everyone will think if the soft landing is taken away, there are many assumptions well at least I have WP to such and such date, then at least SG for a year after that, what if the soft landing goes, all those plans out the window.

 

[beardoc]

Agreed AF is a small proportion of the TOTAL QFF numbers however given that most members, and no disrespect here, are mainly silver and above how much of the total QF income and profit would AFF members represent?

I think in a number of cases there's the direct spend and there is the influencing effect. Enthusiast like those on this board tend to influence other people, which is why the airlines are willing to involve us in special events, and they support events that Frequent Flyer enthusiasts put on. So if there's a movement away, then it might take more business than just those on this board. That's what the risk is.

 

[TonyHancock]

Wonder what everyone will think if the soft landing is taken away, there are many assumptions well at least I have WP to such and such date, then at least SG for a year after that, what if the soft landing goes, all those plans out the window.

I think the soft landing buys time to assess my situation. In many respects it keeps me tied to QF, rather than rush off to another airline without taking in the full effects of the changes. Some of the earn rates might actually work for me.

 

[RooFlyer]

Have now had time to digest the new earn rates and to think about future strategy. This thread has been great in weighing various options, thanks.

My flying is mostly international business, paid by client who gives me a lot of latitude on carrier and even routing. Personal flying also in (discount!) business; that's usually on Star Alliance to Europe where their coverage beats OW hands down. I've only ever taken one MASA

So the new QF earn rates will almost certainly benefit me, but that doesn't stop me being thoroughly piszed off at the continuing 'nickel and diming' the QFi flying experience. So if QF thought the new scheme would encourage my business loyalty - it will contribute to the opposite effect. For me, status chases the flying, not the other way round. I recently experienced the new-ish CX product TPAC and its leaps and bounds ahead of QF. I will be using QF less this year than last, and I used it less last year than the year before.

As to the key question: I will continue on QFF but also promote my AAdvantage membership.

Bottom line: I'll maintain QF plat by doing a couple of TPACs in J (one already done). After that, I'll shift across to CX revenue seats as much as I can and credit to AA and see where I get to on that scheme. If I get to OW Emerald there, then it'll be ta-ta to QFi revenue seats and I'll rely on LTG for domestic lounges etc.

 

[amaroo]

If I get to OW Emerald there, then it'll be ta-ta to QFi revenue seats and I'll rely on LTG for domestic lounges etc.

[-]OWE will see you glide through the door to all domestic lounges including J.[/-]

Q - does AA exec (OWE) get you access to the AA lounges in the LOTFAP ?