Abbott in Government

[burrco]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well Abbott is officially now in office - so this thread is no longer in beta!

Wonder how may pages it will grow to in the next (dare I say) 12 years?

 

[casanovawa]

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Stirrer...

 

[Skyring]

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It's when there are differences of opinion that the rubber hits the road, and in that arena Abbot (and the Coalition) displayed little capacity to get past "no"…

May I direct you to Hansard, where every position opposed by the Coalition in the recent Labor government shambles was addressed at length. Perhaps we don't see Parliament as a forum for speeches nowadays, and our attention in this internet age does not extend past headlines and soundbites.

Nevertheless, the Coalition put a great deal of thought and research into underpinning their opposition to some of the government's policies.

And, given the recent election result, it appears that the voters were inclined to support the Coalition position over that of Labor.

 

[drsmithy]

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May I direct you to Hansard, where every position opposed by the Coalition in the recent Labor government shambles was addressed at length.

You may, but it appears you didn't.

Nevertheless, the Coalition put a great deal of thought and research into underpinning their opposition to some of the government's policies.

For example ?

And, given the recent election result, it appears that the voters were inclined to support the Coalition position over that of Labor.

Given how much the Coalition's position from the last 5 years has shifted in the last few weeks, I'd be surprised if the voters knew what the Coalition's positions - other than "not Labor" - even were.

That was, after all, the essence of their campaign and policy platform.

 

[medhead]

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Given how much the Coalition's position from the last 5 years has shifted in the last few weeks, I'd be surprised if the voters knew what the Coalition's positions - other than "not Labor" - even were.

That was, after all, the essence of their campaign and policy platform.

Even that's entirely correct as he cherry picked a number of alp policies that he'd previously opposed. NDIS for example.

Anyway, there is one policy that he had for a long time. Direct Action! A policy that boils down to spend $3.2 billion and don't worry if it achieves anything. That sounds like a well thought out and considered policy.

 

[Pukka]

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You may, but it appears you didn't.


For example ?


Given how much the Coalition's position from the last 5 years has shifted in the last few weeks, I'd be surprised if the voters knew what the Coalition's positions - other than "not Labor" - even were.

That was, after all, the essence of their campaign and policy platform.

You missed out Green it was not Labor & not Green

That's what people voted for

 

[Pukka]

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Even that's entirely correct as he cherry picked a number of alp policies that he'd previously opposed. NDIS for example.

Anyway, there is one policy that he had for a long time. Direct Action! A policy that boils down to spend $3.2 billion and don't worry if it achieves anything. That sounds like a well thought out and considered policy.

Well the last lot spent a lot more than 3.2B and achieved diddly

You're making assumptions anyway he's been in the job for less than 12 hours you won't give him a chance you want him to fail because you hate him.

Labor were judged on what they'd achieved which wasn't enough which is why they got booted out. The same will happen to TA if everyone thinks Billy & Co will do a better job.

 

[drsmithy]

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Well the last lot spent a lot more than 3.2B and achieved diddly

Even The Oz says it had an effect.

You're making assumptions anyway he's been in the job for less than 12 hours you won't give him a chance you want him to fail because you hate him.

I hope his Government fails miserably. Not because of him (though I do find him quite detestable), but because I think the social-conservative-neoliberal policy platform is morally bankrupt.

Labor were judged on what they'd achieved which wasn't enough which is why they got booted out. The same will happen to TA if everyone thinks Billy & Co will do a better job.

Whether Uncle Rupert decides to do a similar hatchet job on them will be the biggest factor. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and go with "no" on that one, at least for a couple of terms.

 

[drsmithy]

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Even that's entirely correct as he cherry picked a number of alp policies that he'd previously opposed. NDIS for example.

I did say "not Labor", not "not Labor's policies".

 

[whatmeworry]

I'm not a big fan of positive discrimination just for political correctness to achieve some perceived ideal balance.

You're either the best person for the job or you're not.

Funny how their are so many women in the Liberal's and National's (Don't forget about them) are not even considered for the so called junior roles.

Maybe the Liberal party can draft his Daughters into the party.

 

[amaroo]

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You missed out Green it was not Labor & not Green

That's what people voted for

Only a matter of time before Milne is dumped......their vote is down 3.26%. Thats massive when you only have 11% to start with.

PUP performance really shines the light on how bad the Greens performed.

 

[medhead]

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Abbott has clearly stated the direct action budget is fixed and will not increase regardless of whether it can meet the 5% reduction target or not. Absolutely no assumption required. All there in his own words, he is going to waste $3.2 billion. Superior economic management.

 

[amaroo]

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I hope his Government fails miserably. Not because of him (though I do find him quite detestable), but because I think the social-conservative-neoliberal policy platform is morally bankrupt.

Democracy will see things right......individual fears/wants/desires/bigotry/rantings/failings - cease to be important.

 

[medhead]

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"We will strive to govern for all Australians, including those who didn't vote for us" - Abbott.

The man is an absolute joke who clearly doesn't have the first clue about democratic principles.

 

[JohnK]

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Gillard was a very good PM.

I try to stay out of political discussions but I had to laugh at this statement.

Anyway, the lack of women in abbott's ministry, despite them having significant experience suggests that liberal women lack competence. Unless there is something else going on.

A lot of men also missed out on cabinet positions. Does that make them incompetent as well?

Why does everything have to come down to equality amongst the sexes?

"That company is not a good company because only 20% of senior management is female!" And would that company be a good company if 50% of senior management were female?

 

[Pukka]

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Only a matter of time before Milne is dumped......their vote is down 3.26%. Thats massive when you only have 11% to start with.

PUP performance really shines the light on how bad the Greens performed.

She's hopeless at least Bob Brown came across as someone who was passionate about his beliefs and genuinely cared for the environment. She's just a rabid left winger who wants to tax everything.

 

[amaroo]

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He was lying you were excluded from "all Australians" never mind only about 1000 sleeps till Billy gets a go lol

Whoever gets the guernsey will be long gone by the time a winnable election comes around

 

[medhead]

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I try to stay out of political discussions but I had to laugh at this statement.


A lot of men also missed out on cabinet positions. Does that make them incompetent as well?

Why does everything have to come down to equality amongst the sexes?

"That company is not a good company because only 20% of senior management is female!" And would that company be a good company if 50% of senior management were female?

Try reading this in context of the other posts instead. The contex is all the liberals claiming that the cabinet members are choose on merit only. I'm just pointing out the logical conclusion if their claims where true. I'm applying the standards of the Abbott admirers claims. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand. Perhaps people choose not to get the point You would find a newspaper opinion piece that agrees with my point.

I certainly have not said anything about affirmative action. Especially as my position is that there are plenty of competent women who seem to have been excluded just because they are women.

Abbott certainly agrees with my view of Gillard given the way he is adopting a majority of her achievements.

 

[straitman]

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"We will strive to govern for all Australians, including those who didn't vote for us" - Abbott.

The man is an absolute joke who clearly doesn't have the first clue about democratic principles.

medhead,

Fortunately or unfortunately, depending upon your political persuasions, Tony Abbott is the PM for the next three years.

My challenge to you is to accept this and then comment on and discuss the good and/or bad things that he actually does during the period of his PMship.

 

[Pukka]

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Try reading this in context of the other posts instead. The contex is all the liberals claiming that the cabinet members are choose on merit only. I'm just pointing out the logical conclusion if their claims where true. I'm applying the standards of the Abbott admirers claims. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand. Perhaps people choose not to get the point You would find a newspaper opinion piece that agrees with my point.

I certainly have not said anything about affirmative action. Especially as my position is that there are plenty of competent women who seem to have been excluded just because they are women.

Abbott certainly agrees with my view of Gillard given the way he is adopting a majority of her achievements.

By the majority of her achievements I presume you mean the NDIS because that's the only one I can think of ( unless you mean extra taxes he's keeping) but you're even slagging him off for that even though I presume you agree with it.