Abbott in Government

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Do you feel better when you try to deflect the argument to me because you really can't in all honesty defend your boy Tony and his pack of amateurs over their current debacle?

Created by....

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Do you feel better when you try to deflect the argument to me because you really can't in all honesty defend your boy Tony and his pack of amateurs over their current debacle?

No because your boy Kevin and your girl Julia were not even up to amateur standard.
PS I cant really see where you have put up any argument.Insults and a couple of statements that you consider facts but no argument.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

The polls disagree but keep dreaming if it makes you happy

Dead set certainty for three terms.....maybe 4 depending on the quality of the opposition.

 

[HarryB]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Created by....

It's a policy that both parties agree to and has been happening for years, well before the last government too. The handling of the issue is what needs to be scrutinised here, not who was in government when when these particular instances of spying were conducted.

The issue will blow over if it is handled correctly by the government, that is all we need to worry about regardless of whether Indonesia is blowing it out of proportion or not.

 

[straitman]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Mod Hat] Time to stop the name calling and get back to debating the topic ladies and gents. [/Mod Hat]

 

[BadgerBoi]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

The issue will blow over if it is handled correctly by the government..

And One Term Tony is effortlessly ensuring that's not going to happen

 

[Pukka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

And One Term Tony is effortlessly ensuring that's not going to happen

Lol one term Tony has a nice ring to it but I'm afraid that's pie in the sky electricity Bill & Tanya Plibersek just aren't up to the job in fact they're hopeless minimum 2 terms for TA probably more

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

And One Term Tony is effortlessly ensuring that's not going to happen

Did you not read the mod message?

 

[drron]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

And One Term Tony is effortlessly ensuring that's not going to happen

despite your concerns there is at least one ABC commentator that disagrees with you-
Spy scandal brings out Bishop's best - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Dead set certainty for three terms.....maybe 4 depending on the quality of the opposition.

Shame about what the country will look like at the end of those four terms.

 

[777]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Opposing is easy. Governing is hard.

In opposition Abbott basically got away by pretending we didn't have to make difficult decisions. "I will lower the debt, and cut taxes, and save jobs" ... "I will just turn the boats back" ... "I can remove the carbon tax and still cut emissions" ... Etc

An honest debate would have been about WHICH difficult decisions we needed to make not pretending their weren't any. It may well be that this government makes those difficult decisions better than the previous one but the problem with governing is that you can't pretend you don't have to.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Shame about what the country will look like at the end of those four terms.

Madame Speaker would be about 138 years old by then.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Shame about what the country will look like at the end of those four terms.

House prices will be in the stratosphere - great news for anyone that actually owns a house or three for the past 20 odd years

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

That would be house prices again lol that's the root of all evil

Certainly the root of most of our economic problems.

Luckily they play little part in our diplomatic screwups, or we'd be properly stuffed. At least there's a few people in power who have a vague interest in fixing our diplomatic screwups.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

House prices will be in the stratosphere - great news for anyone that actually owns a house or three for the past 20 odd years

Once Tony has successfully driven wages down to nearly nothing racing to the bottom, who's going to be buying them ?

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I'm not excited by house prices either. Fine for me, not for my kids.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Once Tony has successfully driven wages down to nearly nothing racing to the bottom, who's going to be buying them ?

Every generation has been saying that......the new generation always seems to manage.

Aspirational Government encourages people to back themselves and get in and make a life.....the other option just drags everyone down as low as they can go!

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Every generation has been saying that......the new generation always seems to manage.

The difference is the new generation are right. Thirty years of neoliberal economics has resulted in the vast majority of productivity improvements being concentrated into a miniscule percentage of society, wage suppression and the gutting of productive industry (precisely as it was intended to). The majority have only maintained increasing living standards by going enormously into debt. Hence our almost certainly catastrophic private debt problem.

Property prices have increased 3x (or more) in real (ie: adjusted for inflation and income) terms over the last ~30 years, and especially over the last 15.

Owning a home - particularly to the standard of previous generations - is now an unrealistic goal for most, without absurd and oppressive conditions (eg: sacrificing 50% of household income for decades, or living in the middle of nowhere).

Aspirational Government encourages people to back themselves and get in and make a life.....the other option just drags everyone down as low as they can go!

Where is this "aspirational Government" ? Certainly not any we've had for the last 15-odd years, and unquestionably not the one we have today. They have only been interested in pandering to rent-seekers, facilitating an upwards generational wealth transfer, and entrenching the position of the already wealthy.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Where is this "aspirational Government" ? Certainly not any we've had for the last 15-odd years, and unquestionably not the one we have today. They have only been interested in pandering to rent-seekers, facilitating an upwards generational wealth transfer, and entrenching the position of the already wealthy.

Good grief. They've been in Government for 2 minutes and you've already surmised all this? Give me a break.

 

[Hvr]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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Where is this "aspirational Government" ? Certainly not any we've had for the last 15-odd years, and unquestionably not the one we have today. They have only been interested in pandering to rent-seekers, facilitating an upwards generational wealth transfer, and entrenching the position of the already wealthy.

Good grief. They've been in Government for 2 minutes and you've already surmised all this? Give me a break.

Ah no,drsmithy just went by their election promises. And since the Coalition has never lied it must be true.