Abbott in Government

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Yes, you did.

No, I didn't.

Who made those assertions - wasn't me.

Correct. Hence the reason my reply quoted the person I was responding to.

Doesn't look like it

Rest assured I'm not. There are plenty of topics in this discussion I'm upset about, but childish name-calling isn't one of them.

Who are you posting about now?

You.

You posted it and have kept the subject bubbling along.

Again, I think your pot and kettle picture is an appropriate response here.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

No, I didn't. <snip>

Yeah, you did.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Everyone on the far right knows the ABC is weak when it comes to un-bias reporting....sticking around a bit more and you'll see it yourself.

Fixed that for you.

The ABC is constantly shown by both independent review and survey of public perception as being the last biased of all content providers.

Your Government will fix it by getting decent people on the board.

I assume by "fix" you mean "make it align with my ideology" ?

 

[Pukka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Yeah, you did.

Lol leave it alone he's a posting machine he'll keep on going until you stop

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Yeah, you did.

In which post(s) ?

 

[Moody]

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I really cant get over how people think the bugging scandal was all of Tony Abbott's making.Fails a common sense test.

Of course it does .... and who exactly is blaming Despicable T for spying on SBY's wife in 2009? (OK - apart from the Indonesian cartoonist, who took poetic license ..... but was hilarious!)

TA was at the end of a long line of events, but unfortunately he dropped the ball. Anyone who thinks otherwise lives in a parallel universe (you know - the one where Eric Bana destroyed Vulcan.)

More information is slowly coming out.We know that the ABC did show the reports to the Office of National Affairs who requested that they not publish 3 items-the ABC agreed to only one.
Now as the government knew before the publication what did they do.Well it now transpires that our Intelligence people met their Indonesian counterparts early this month discussing this issue-

So rather than the ALP fanbois tremendous failure the Government was already working behind the scenes to resolve the problem.A success of proper diplomacy true to the old principle of in public neither confirming or denying matters related to security.

It gets worse! So the diplomats had already started to pour oil on the troubled waters to reassure Indonesia that it wouldn't happen again, and Despicable T STILL managed to cough things up! What an utter drongo!!!

No doubt that our resident anti-TA bunch will continue on in their denial.But they now will have to play between themselves as tomorrow I am off on my next trip.

Well there goes half my material!

 

[amaroo]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

In which post(s) ?

Just a few. Like I've posted in the past - you've been relatively civil on this thread. However, I'm starting to see a trend where the others are dragging you down.....don't do it. You need to stay strong!

BTW you wouldn't happen to be Steve Keen in real life? You couldn't split a hair between your views on house prices.....

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

BTW you wouldn't happen to be Steve Keen in real life? You couldn't split a hair between your views on house prices.....

Keen and I are hardly alone in thinking property prices and private debt are wildly out of control and that the fallout from same will be widespread and catastrophic.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Steven Keen? Now there's a dinosaur. I remember him from years ago. Sold all his property and losing a lot of money in the process by predicting the great housing doom market didn't he?

 

[yohy?!]

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[Moody]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

It was a non core promise and not really a lie

I will assume the smilie is of the tongue-in-cheek variety, otherwise this comment could be seen as breathtakingly dishonest in every way.

But the carbon tax was a huge monstrous terrible terrible lie lol

JG took a policy of pricing carbon to the 2010 election, but promised no carbon tax under a government she led. She subsequently broke that second promise. Maybe she should have foreseen the minority government she would have to form and the Greens' conditions for forming it, but does anyone think she deliberately lied about her intention going into the election?

Compare that to the Gonski reforms. Crass Pain referred to them as Conski and rubbished them from the start, but during the election campaign it became apparent that this was a potential vote-loser. So TA said that the Coalition had changed their mind and would run a "unity ticket" on the Gonski reforms, and CP said that every school would get the same money under the Coalition as they would under Labour. The single difference was that the Coalition only promised to fund the Gonski model for 4 years not 6.

2 months later the lying scumbags have gone back on the election promise they had no intention of keeping. If I was a Coalition voter I would be feeling pretty foolish right now ... especially the ones who can't see the difference between this lie and the carbon-tax "lie".

 

[Moody]

So, please tell me how the Gonski model worked and why it was the answer to the falling educational standards in our schools? Throwing money at schools is not the way to improve standards btw.

To assuage your ignorance I suggest you ask a teacher. And if you don't think that the money matters, then you also need some basic economic lessons as well.

 

[777]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

This thread has actually become pretty sad. There are some genuine policy questions buried here somewhere but I'm struggling to find them amid all the shouting and d!ck swinging.

 

[casanovawa]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Just back from 3.5 weeks abroad and so catching up on what's happened in my absence, but still the same people with the same positions... At least some of the responses are semi comical but yes they have drifted away from the policy questions a little..

 

[Pushka]

To assuage your ignorance I suggest you ask a teacher. And if you don't think that the money matters, then you also need some basic economic lessons as well.

Australia spends more than most on education but the outcomes are deteriorating. That has nothing to do with economics. . Growth in spending more than four times more OECD. Our teachers are amongst the highest paid in the world.

http://mobile.news.com.au/lifestyle...-world-standards/story-fngqim8m-1226669722037

I'd never call anyone ignorant btw, that's just plain rude. But it seems to be de rigueur with some posters, usually those who claim they take a higher moral ground. Interesting that.

 

[Pukka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I will assume the smilie is of the tongue-in-cheek variety, otherwise this comment could be seen as breathtakingly dishonest in every way.



JG took a policy of pricing carbon to the 2010 election, but promised no carbon tax under a government she led. She subsequently broke that second promise. Maybe she should have foreseen the minority government she would have to form and the Greens' conditions for forming it, but does anyone think she deliberately lied about her intention going into the election?

Compare that to the Gonski reforms. Crass Pain referred to them as Conski and rubbished them from the start, but during the election campaign it became apparent that this was a potential vote-loser. So TA said that the Coalition had changed their mind and would run a "unity ticket" on the Gonski reforms, and CP said that every school would get the same money under the Coalition as they would under Labour. The single difference was that the Coalition only promised to fund the Gonski model for 4 years not 6.

2 months later the lying scumbags have gone back on the election promise they had no intention of keeping. If I was a Coalition voter I would be feeling pretty foolish right now ... especially the ones who can't see the difference between this lie and the carbon-tax "lie".

The lol is a clue that it's all a bit tongue in cheek. I dislike all politicians because the words "public service" are a joke.

But I dislike the labor pollies & really don't like the green ones

 

[mono88]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I think Davy Gonski will be happy his name will not be used anymore for paid and unpaid political advertising.
Not worth to be involved with politicians.

 

[kpc]

Well we now have an official broken promise by the Abbott government as called by Neil Mitchell, right wing shock jock on 3AW.

Christopher Pyne (education minister) is refusing to honour the Gonski education reforms that were negotiated by the former Labor government with several (Liberal) state governments.

I guess the right wing apologists will find an excuse to say it was a non-core promise and not really a lie.

Yep. Broken promise. Shouldn't have happened. At least we admit to broken promises unlike those in the Gillard camp who would have denied the fact and called it "changed circumstances" or such other nonsense.

He's not going the Gonski route but the same monies are available. He's just distributing to all states not just those who signed up.

Australia spends more than most on education but the outcomes are deteriorating. That has nothing to do with economics. . Growth in spending more than four times more OECD. Our teachers are amongst the highest paid in the world.

Australian children's education dropping further against world standards | News.com.au

I'd never call anyone ignorant btw, that's just plain rude. But it seems to be de rigueur with some posters, usually those who claim they take a higher moral ground. Interesting that.

I went to high school with the current federal education minister...he was a jerk then, and continues to be the same today. He knows absolutely NOTHING about education (a lawyer by training) altho. he thinks he does...in year 8, he announced to the class that he would be Prime Minister of Australia some day...that will be the day I renounce my Australian citizenship. I just wish we had more intelligent politicians but hey, if you pay peanuts, you get....

OK...just had to get that off my chest:evil::evil::evil:

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well then you'd know the CE of our Education Dept in SA is a serving Police Officer then...knowing how much about education I wonder?

 

[Pukka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

This thread has actually become pretty sad. There are some genuine policy questions buried here somewhere but I'm struggling to find them amid all the shouting and d!ck swinging.

I think you're just too sensible for this thread it's really just a glorified bun fight.