ALL QF's 330's to get lay flat Business seating - Including Domestic

[baggyred]

Taking a couple of flights mid December on Per->Mel... I daresay only one plane will be kitted out by then and likely on the SYD route

 

[moa999]

28 I believe. 10 x -300 and 18 x -200.

I think that's about right.
10-300 is on the money.

Then Source websites currently lists 15 QF-200s and 6-JQ-200s but I believe at least 2 of the current ones are due for lessor return in 2015 so wont get upgraded

 

[cmon0005]

I still think its a mistake that QF aren't adding PE to the A330's. I know most airlines find it hard to fill PE seats, but they could do what CX are doing now, only have 2-3 rows of PE - approx 13-21~ seats, this would ensure for people that can't afford J all the time and those that don't like squishy Y seats a happy medium which is essentially a high yield Economy seat.

 

[jimmylikesitwet]

I think that's about right.
10-300 is on the money.

Then Source websites currently lists 15 QF-200s and 6-JQ-200s but I believe at least 2 of the current ones are due for lessor return in 2015 so wont get upgraded

The Qantas group has 20 -200 in total. Two are being returned to the lessor so that leaves 18. I think the Source websites have a double up on one of the JQ birds that has been returned (or is in the process of being returned).

 

[samh004]

I still think its a mistake that QF aren't adding PE to the A330's. I know most airlines find it hard to fill PE seats, but they could do what CX are doing now, only have 2-3 rows of PE - approx 13-21~ seats, this would ensure for people that can't afford J all the time and those that don't like squishy Y seats a happy medium which is essentially a high yield Economy seat.

Good for status pax too, they don't have to put them in J and forego taking points from Y pax willing to upgrade. Makes everyone happy.

 

[Mr_Orange]

I still think its a mistake that QF aren't adding PE to the A330's. I know most airlines find it hard to fill PE seats, but they could do what CX are doing now, only have 2-3 rows of PE - approx 13-21~ seats, this would ensure for people that can't afford J all the time and those that don't like squishy Y seats a happy medium which is essentially a high yield Economy seat.

Agreed. I raised it at the BNE function this week with QLD RGM. Wrong person and wrong forum I know, but I asked anyway. He just said 'economics'. I was really trying to tease out of him whether there was a surprise in the offing, but the conversation moved on fairly quickly even when I said even just 2 rows of 7 seats would have done it.

 

[cmon0005]

Agreed. I raised it at the BNE function this week with QLD RGM. He just said 'economics'. but the conversation moved on fairly quickly even when I said even just 2 rows of 7 seats would have done it.

This is what annoys me (and others) about QF decisions sometimes, they are made by pure bean counters and don't realise there is a human aspect to purchasing etc. they also don't try alternatives.
ie. They should have trialed 737's on PER-SIN rather than cutting it altogether.
Should have tried a small amount of PE on A330 to see how it goes if it didn't take off then just remove seats and replace with more Y.
/Vent over/

 

[under the radar]

lol...you people make me laugh...per flyers would have complained about qf 737 j/c seating on per/sin...and oh how easy it is to install seats and then if they dont work...just pull em out and replace them! lol no cost to airline involvd at alll lol

 

[cmon0005]

lol...you people make me laugh...per flyers would have complained about qf 737 j/c seating on per/sin...and oh how easy it is to install seats and then if they dont work...just pull em out and replace them! lol no cost to airline involvd at alll lol

For years SYD-HNL has been a 767 with worse J/Y seating than a new 737-BSI with AVOD and they never seemed to have a problem filling it still and that was a 10 hour flight!
I've done Air Pacific 737's in J and Y from Melb to Nadi many times which is similar flight time to PER - SIN and its not that bad.,

Second point regarding pulling seats out being a huge cost yes if it was a brand new type of seat that needs certification and testing, but removing a curtain, and changing a few rows of PE seats out (which are essentially just wide Y seats) and putting Y in not that big of a deal. And the whole idea of a trial is you put it in on a few aircraft see how it goes and if it doesn't work out remove them, (or leave them for P1's, WP to select).

Maybe you are the one making the decisions at QF lol your logic seems the same as theirs!

 

[under the radar]

For years SYD-HNL has been a 767 with worse J/Y seating than a new 737-BSI with AVOD and they never seemed to have a problem filling it still and that was a 10 hour flight!

Second point regarding pulling seats out being a huge cost yes if it was a brand new type of seat that needs certification and testing, but removing a curtain, and changing a few rows of PE seats out (which are essentially just wide Y seats) and putting Y in not that big of a deal. And the whole idea of a trial is you put it in on a few aircraft see how it goes and if it doesn't work out remove them, (or leave them for P1's, WP to select).

Maybe you are the one making the decisions at QF lol your logic seems the same as theirs!

so simplistic..QFs P/Y product involves more than the seat...it needs dedicated galley space..dedicated crew...and at least a toilet NOT in economy!!!etc.. of course i dont expect some to comprehend the complexities of the WHOLE PRODUCT and the cost involved... CX doesnt have dedicated crew/galleys/and tiolets shared with economy!!! :shock: for P/Y on their a330....and those who have experienced CX P/Y know what im talking about...
well...my logic involves 'cost to benefit' analysis ...seems like a sound logic for any business that strives to be profitable

 

[cmon0005]

so simplistic..QFs P/Y product involves more than the seat...it needs dedicated galley space..dedicated crew...and at least a toilet NOT in economy!!!etc.. of course i dont expect some to comprehend the complexities of the WHOLE PRODUCT... CX doesnt have dedicated crew/galleys/and tiolets shared with economy!!! :shock: for P/Y on their a330....and those who have experienced CX P/Y know what im talking about

I don't know why you are getting so emotional about it I was just suggesting what QF should have done, not trying to write a business case for them!!

Also I do understand PE product I frequent PE quite a lot on QF (A380, 747) and CX (A330), QF 747 toilet for PE doesn;t exist its the Y toilets! although depending on the crew they normally let you use the J toilet right in front of the PE cabin..

 

[under the radar]

I don't know why you are getting so emotional about it I was just suggesting what QF should have done, not trying to write a business case for them!!

Also I do understand PE product I frequent PE quite a lot on QF (A380, 747) and CX (A330), QF 747 toilet for PE doesn;t exist its the Y toilets! although depending on the crew they normally let you use the J toilet right in front of the PE cabin..

happy flying

 

[yohy?!]

so simplistic..QFs P/Y product involves more than the seat...it needs dedicated galley space..dedicated crew...and at least a toilet NOT in economy!!!etc.. of course i dont expect some to comprehend the complexities of the WHOLE PRODUCT and the cost involved... CX doesnt have dedicated crew/galleys/and tiolets shared with economy!!! :shock: for P/Y on their a330....and those who have experienced CX P/Y know what im talking about...
well...my logic involves 'cost to benefit' analysis ...seems like a sound logic for any business that strives to be profitable

PE on CX is fine on the 330, sure itd be nice to have its own loo but it's not really an impost walking 4 rows back and there is rarely any wait time... (plus the 77W product will soon be available ex-SYD anyway which will be good).

Given the number of pax I'm unsure why dedicated crew is even required in PE - its just a marketing term really, I never had the sense that the QF PE crew were dedicated as they are often up in J, again no big deal as the service is good and this is Y+ not F...

 

[FromTheRail]

I have just noticed a plane change for a flight I have in December, it was a DF layout now it is this:



It looks like the Domestic V2, but it has a galley instead of a wardrobe and the seats aren't staggered, how accurate are the seat maps or is there a chance this is the new layout?
SeatGuru Seat Map Qantas Airbus A330-200 (332) Domestic V2

It could be the V1 but the bassinet positions are wrong

 

[Ansett]

I have just noticed a plane change for a flight I have in December, it was a DF layout now it is this:



It looks like the Domestic V2, but it has a galley instead of a wardrobe and the seats aren't staggered, how accurate are the seat maps or is there a chance this is the new layout?
SeatGuru Seat Map Qantas Airbus A330-200 (332) Domestic V2

I would say its the original design. Seat maps are not accurate on QF. Also isn't the new lay out a 1-2-1 lay out with all seats having Aisle access?

 

[markis10]

I have just noticed a plane change for a flight I have in December, it was a DF layout now it is this:



It looks like the Domestic V2, but it has a galley instead of a wardrobe and the seats aren't staggered, how accurate are the seat maps or is there a chance this is the new layout?
SeatGuru Seat Map Qantas Airbus A330-200 (332) Domestic V2

It could be the V1 but the bassinet positions are wrong

You have a JQ bird.

 

[FromTheRail]

I would say its the original design. Seat maps are not accurate on QF. Also isn't the new lay out a 1-2-1 lay out with all seats having Aisle access?

Doh, blonde moment, going to put that down to being in the sun all day!!

You have a JQ bird.

Cheers......I think.....

 

[MEL_Traveller]

so simplistic..QFs P/Y product involves more than the seat...it needs dedicated galley space..dedicated crew...and at least a toilet NOT in economy!!!etc.. of course i dont expect some to comprehend the complexities of the WHOLE PRODUCT and the cost involved... CX doesnt have dedicated crew/galleys/and tiolets shared with economy!!! :shock: for P/Y on their a330....and those who have experienced CX P/Y know what im talking about...
well...my logic involves 'cost to benefit' analysis ...seems like a sound logic for any business that strives to be profitable

I'm not sure if PE does need a dedicated galley. A service cart can be wheeled from anywhere in the plane to service the cabin. Toilets - the original PE on QF flights didn't have dedicated WCs. Dedicated crew? Can't see why they can't come from anywhere else in the plane. I appreciate PE crew wear the black jackets during service 9or at least they used to many years ago) - but I'm sure pax wouldn't really mind if the crew were without them.

As for the other discussion re PER-SIN on 737s (and i guess this extends to trans-tasman as well) - there is perhaps a good case for QF to configure a couple of 737 aircraft with full lie flat seating to become more competitive.

Other airlines have managed to get a semi-decent business class product on their 737s/A320s.

 

[mannej]

You have a JQ bird.

Older JQ or JQ same as EBO JQ?

Shows you how silly it is having 4 (possibly) 5 different configs for the 332's.

 

[lovestotravel]

lol...you people make me laugh...per flyers would have complained about qf 737 j/c seating on per/sin...and oh how easy it is to install seats and then if they dont work...just pull em out and replace them! lol no cost to airline involvd at alll lol

I agree, armchair experts everywhere