Australian state border restrictions

[oznflfan]

Disagree, shows the topic is becoming a little bit more irrelevant by the day.

Thank God for that.

Not for me in NT. Would like to go to Bathurst in Dec, but almost impossible I think.

 

[Lynda2475]

Not for me in NT. Would like to go to Bathurst in Dec, but almost impossible I think.

Zero problem in going to Bathurst unless you are unvaccinated, NSW is welcoming all fully vaccinated people at ticketed events at full capacity.

Whether you can return to the NT without home/hotel quarantine is the issue, can you not just WFH for 2 weeks on return?

 

[jakeseven7]

Disagree, shows the topic is becoming a little bit more irrelevant by the day.

Thank God for that.

Yes and the tennis is relevant if people are working out if they can go or not due to the restrictions their home states imprison them with! Its the biggest sporting event in Australia, so people are gagging to go!

 

[oz_mark]

Disagree, shows the topic is becoming a little bit more irrelevant by the day.

Still relevant in WA

 

[antycbr]

Not for me in NT. Would like to go to Bathurst in Dec, but almost impossible I think.

We now have free movement between 15,255,000 people (NSW 8.176m, VIC 6.648m and ACT 431k) who are also free to travel overseas. That's 59.3% of the Australian population.

The remaining states and territories will gradually open up to the free travel states in December - SA first with 1.771m, then Tasmania 542k and the big one of Queensland of 5.206m. In turn each should/will be locked out of the covid-zero zone one by one.

That will leave the NT 247k and WA 2.675m - 2.922m or 11% in the restricted travel/covid-zero zone by the end of the year. Increasinly the conversation is about people in the NT and WA being locked in, rather than locking out the other states.

Therefore the action is moving back to the actual airline FF forums and those dealing with the nuances of international travel.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Still relevant in WA

Yes. Little bit I guess being the keys there.

I look forward to visiting my family and friends one day in 2022 so I am with you on the emojis!

 

[oznflfan]

Zero problem in going to Bathurst unless you are unvaccinated, NSW is welcoming all fully vaccinated people at ticketed events at full capacity.

Whether you can return to the NT without home/hotel quarantine is the issue, can you not just WFH for 2 weeks on return?

Simple aims in life to avoid sticks up nose (can't avoid forever) and hotel quarantine. No issues getting to Bathurst, issue getting back. Would go stir crazy in HQ even though I can WFH, and can't Home Quarantine as other 5 family members would have to quarantine and get 6 tests each.

Rumour has it 18th January could (and by could I mean aspirationally possible) Quarantine Free International Travel out of NT. Cross fingers.

 

[eastwest101]

Planning a trip to Queensland? Beware of the fine print around COVID vaccines

From November 19, fully vaccinated travellers entering Queensland from interstate can quarantine at home. But there's a catch.

www.abc.net.au

A good summary of the current situation for those entering QLD.

Only relocating or returning QLD residents are eligible for home quarantine. They have had to walk back a few things about home quarantine that were impractical, and now seem to allow a transit in BNE airport if flying to another destination in QLD that does not have direct services from interstate. They have maintained the "everyone else at same house is also considered to be in quarantine" policy making home quarantine impractical for many and continues the interpretation that they really don't want this trial to succeed, and is more of a political middle ground between closed borders and open borders/living with Covid.

For interstate arrivals from NSW and VIC (and any other "hotspots" don't forget the Covid PCR test 72 hours before traveling, but does not specify if thats at least 72 hours before commencing travel or 72 hours before entering QLD, still must live within 2 hours of your QLD arrival airport so its not just a home quarantine trial for SE QLD anymore. The geo-location web link technological solution for home quarantine will be interesting to see in action as well.

'I don't know how they're expecting us to pay': Hotel quarantine debts in Queensland reach $14m

Sabrina and her children were denied permission to quarantine at home, and now she has no idea how she'll pay a large hotel quarantine bill. She's not alone — travellers owe the Queensland government $14 million in hotel bills, and debt collectors' work is piling up.

www.abc.net.au

Seems like they are having a few issues getting hotel quarantine invoices paid, which is somewhat "karmic" given Stephen Miles's video performance about ripping up an invoice. I am waiting for the Debt Collectors to trip up somewhere on a small legal technicality and for someone to legally challenge one of these invoices and things might really get interesting, the first test case will be interesting as there will be the legal to and fro about whether the hotel is chasing the money or the state government, to be followed by the argument about whether the debt is for goods/ services or whether the hotel quarantine was a service or a loan/finance....

They say they are not opening QLD to international double vaxxed arrivals until QLD hits the 90% double vaxxed population - so if you believe them then that's effectively never at current rates of progress in QLD. Although there will be nothing to stop vaxxed arrivals International arrivals into SYD or MEL flying into QLD after the first PCR test at 24 hours and another at 7 days if they follow the NSW advice. So 7 days past the 17th Dec puts them into 23rd Dec is when the international arrivals effectively begin to arrive in QLD.

 

[jakeseven7]

Simple aims in life to avoid sticks up nose (can't avoid forever) and hotel quarantine. No issues getting to Bathurst, issue getting back. Would go stir crazy in HQ even though I can WFH, and can't Home Quarantine as other 5 family members would have to quarantine and get 6 tests each.

Rumour has it 18th January could (and by could I mean aspirationally possible) Quarantine Free International Travel out of NT. Cross fingers.

I've honestly lost track of where the NT is even at.... Do they even have a reopening plan yet?

 

[jakeseven7]

Still relevant in WA

I'm not even allowed to talk to my (Perth based) parents about Christmas, the Australian Open, Moulin Rouge, all the things we have planned.
They are absolutely livid at the ongoing WA prison restrictions....

 

[antycbr]

I'm not even allowed to talk to my (Perth based) parents about Christmas, the Australian Open, Moulin Rouge, all the things we have planned.
They are absolutely livid at the ongoing WA prison restrictions....

But they’re being kept safe/hostage.

 

[Lynda2475]

They are absolutely livid at the ongoing WA prison restrictions

Time to think about moving east permanently then

 

[jakeseven7]

But they’re being kept safe/hostage.

Hostage as they see it

Time to think about moving east permanently then

Not really an option at the moment but thought has crossed their mind… every second day…

 

[nutwood]

But they’re being kept safe/hostage.

I was talking to one of our suppliers in Perth today and he made the comment that McGowan was coping pressure to open the borders. I made the keeping safe joke but to my surprise, it wasn't taken as a joke. He was quite passionate about "we don't have it here, why would we let it in.." It was a slightly uncomfortable conversation with someone I've dealt with for years.
Came down to an elderly relative who'd die if they get Covid and what price a human life? It's hard to argue when it gets personal like that. The obvious response that life is a fatal disease and think how many lives would be saved if we speed limited all vehicles to 40 km/h doesn't go down well!

 

[oz_mark]

I was talking to one of our suppliers in Perth today and he made the comment that McGowan was coping pressure to open the borders. I made the keeping safe joke but to my surprise, it wasn't taken as a joke. He was quite passionate about "we don't have it here, why would we let it in.." It was a slightly uncomfortable conversation with someone I've dealt with for years.
Came down to an elderly relative who'd die if they get Covid and what price a human life? It's hard to argue when it gets personal like that. The obvious response that life is a fatal disease and think how many lives would be saved if we speed limited all vehicles to 40 km/h doesn't go down well!

There's been a loss of perspective. Even now they are talking about saving 200 lives over a year, even though 50 people die every day anyway. And 200 is the estimate of deaths caused by hospital mismanagement, but that seems accepted!

 

[Pushka]

Our fatality road on the roads is up more than 10% from last year and no one blinks an eye.

 

[PineappleSkip]

the nuances of international travel.

Plenty of those!

Seems like they are having a few issues getting hotel quarantine invoices paid

They are having a lot of difficulty just issuing hotel invoices. I saw the sum unpaid (about 10% of the total mentioned) but unless Qld health has radically changed there are a lot more unbilled.

cheers skip

 

[jakeseven7]

Our fatality road on the roads is up more than 10% from last year and no one blinks an eye.

Some caused directly by the SA police commissioner and shoddy border closures too

 

[antycbr]

Plenty of those!

They are having a lot of difficulty just issuing hotel invoices. I saw the sum unpaid (about 10% of the total mentioned) but unless Qld health has radically changed there are a lot more unbilled.

cheers skip

Dare I mention the payroll fiasco?

 

[Solid]

I was talking to one of our suppliers in Perth today and he made the comment that McGowan was coping pressure to open the borders. I made the keeping safe joke but to my surprise, it wasn't taken as a joke. He was quite passionate about "we don't have it here, why would we let it in.." It was a slightly uncomfortable conversation with someone I've dealt with for years.

I had the exact opposite the other day when talking to four different clients in WA (I’m in Sydney which they know). They all complained about being stuck in WA now “everything else” is free.