Australian state border restrictions

[jonboixxx]

How funny would it be if all states were red-zoned? Would decision makers see the irony? (For travel purposes and apolitical)

 

[Must...Fly!]

Does anyone know if you're currently allowed to transit via Adelaide Airport between "banned" states (e.g. PER-ADL-CBR)?

I would think it's heavily dependent on your transit state (relative your departure city) and your arrival state (relative your departure city & transit city).

 

[justinbrett]

Hardly surprising to note that the border restrictions are mentioned on tomorrow's Front Pages e.g.

The Australian: "Emergency Covid meeting as states act"
The Advertiser: "Fortress SA"
Herald Sun: "Nation's Covid Chaos"

Courier Mail: "On The Brink: Growing Fears of a new Covid Wave"


Daily Tele: "Best NSW side ever? Blues poised for Origin history" (seriously the top 3 articles are about origin, you have to scroll for covid)

 

[dajop]

Meanwhile in Victorian websites , Dan's return is dominating

The Age: "ABC pulls Andrews interview after Premier posts Twitter Video", "He was going blue" Daniel Andrews and wife open up on crippling fall", then #3 "Delta surge puts Australia on edge as borders close"
The Herald Sun : "Virus experts call for calm as interstate clusters grow", "Melbourne hub, footy frenzy part of covid battle plans","What Dan's fall means for his future in politics", "Dan's selfless move left him in agony"*, "Now we need saving, small business plea to Dan"

* also top story on Geelong Addy website

And now, I shouldn't laugh (but I did), as it does mean this and not this, but the Bendigo Advertiser has one of their headlines as "New clinic helps Bendigo's Karen community receive their COVID-19 jab"

 

[TomVexille]

I feel like the detail being overlooked here is that a VIC declared Orange Zone means test and isolate on arrival until negative. Which is what SA has declared all of Victoria.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I feel like the detail being overlooked here is that a VIC declared Orange Zone means test and isolate on arrival until negative. Which is what SA has declared all of Victoria.

None of it is coordinated, nor run against any kind of risk/cost/benefit analysis.

It's purely a zero COVID minded approach at any cost which just can not be sustained for long.

 

[antycbr]

None of it is coordinated, nor run against any kind of risk/cost/benefit analysis.

It's purely a zero COVID minded approach at any cost which just can not be sustained for long.

The airlines now have a new minister - Barnaby Joyce - so expect some faster action than with Mic Mac.

 

[jb747]

I feel like the detail being overlooked here is that a VIC declared Orange Zone means test and isolate on arrival until negative. Which is what SA has declared all of Victoria.

I actually don’t understand why SA has increased the restrictions on Victoria. Last time I looked, the last big outbreak in Vic was winding down. Perhaps it’s a predictive ban….

None of it is coordinated, nor run against any kind of risk/cost/benefit analysis.

It's purely a zero COVID minded approach at any cost which just can not be sustained for long.

I guess the politicians are hiding behind one or two screens. For some, the CHO did it, not my fault, and for others the financial reckoning will be an SEP (somebody else’s problem).

The airlines now have a new minister - Barnaby Joyce - so expect some faster action than with Mic Mac.

Oh, I’m sure Barnaby will do wonders for the airlines. In a parallel universe.

In any event, why would anybody attempt to travel in Oz at the moment? I’m far more afraid of the blind panic reactions that we continually see, than I am of Covid. And really, shouldn’t that be the other way around.

 

[nutwood]

None of it is coordinated, nor run against any kind of risk/cost/benefit analysis.

It's purely a zero COVID minded approach at any cost which just can not be sustained for long.

That's exactly the problem. It's run at State levels and broad brush is the order of the day. That's not to say a broad brush approach can't be effective. You can very effectively open a walnut with a sledge hammer but there's better ways.

 

[Mattg]

I would think it's heavily dependent on your transit state (relative your departure city) and your arrival state (relative your departure city & transit city).

Agreed. But since I couldn't find any information about transits via ADL on the SA government website, I've changed my booking to a direct PER-CBR flight.

 

[nutwood]

Agreed. But since I couldn't find any information about transits via ADL on the SA government website, I've changed my booking to a direct PER-CBR flight.

I would suggest direct flights are by far the safest option at the moment. You have no control about what happens while you are in the air and the transit that was fine when you taxied out might be verboten by the time you arrive at your transit port. At that moment you are really in the proverbial, potentially stranded in a hot-spot.

 

[Bundy Bear]

It seems silly in 2021 where you can take off from one state and then during your time in the air the rules change, rules really need to be midnight based not changed on the fly during the middle of the day.

 

[Ade]

But I agree, having been out and about for a week already, isolating now is pretty pointless.

This is the issue.

I know a few colleagues of mine, who, on a weekly basis travel to ACT for work. They live in NSW. Now, in the past 4 weeks, they have travelled to & from NSW at least 4 times. What is the point of them isolating now, if they have had the chance to, and I'm not saying they have, passed on infections, if any they had, asymptotically?

Besides, I saw in the news that there have been quarantine & border breaches around NSW & ACT borders and people have been found to be in breach and escorted back to NSW border.

The isolation will only work if there mechanism to filter out potentially infectious (for the lack of a better word, no offense intended. Happy to re-word this if someone can recommend a better word) people quickly and correctly. Any delay in this identification is only going to make things worse. OR in other words, any isolation post identification will not bear the results expected, simply because they are not addressing the right problem.

 

[justinbrett]

It seems silly in 2021 where you can take off from one state and then during your time in the air the rules change, rules really need to be midnight based not changed on the fly during the middle of the day.

I often look at headlines like "QLD closes its border to all of NSW" and think, what would 2019 us think if we saw that headline? We wouldn't believe it.

The scary thing is we're all getting a little too used to them, and more frighteningly, so are the governments.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The main problem is that COVID contact tracing is retrospective. So yes its deflating but that's why the rules are retrospective.

Just as covid does not respect LGA boundaries, covid does not respect midnight - both are human constructs.

 

[oznflfan]

I often look at headlines like "QLD closes its border to all of NSW" and think, what would 2019 us think if we saw that headline? We wouldn't believe it.

The scary thing is we're all getting a little too used to them, and more frighteningly, so are the governments.

It's getting hard to imagine even with 99% vaccinations across the country (we'll actually struggle to get above 65% in my opinion) the government would fully and guarantee opening up state and international borders permanently, due to risk of 1% getting infected. Will takes balls from PM and our current PM have very little ones.

 

[N860CR]

I’m far more afraid of the blind panic reactions that we continually see, than I am of Covid. And really, shouldn’t that be the other way around.

That in itself is telling. We forgot long ago that this was about a virus. Every “outbreak” is lead with “breaking news” stories about “borders SLAMMING shut”. I don’t recall the last time we actually saw any reporting about said virus, and even anybody getting sick. Our priorities are the wrong way around, largely because fact doesn’t support the position of most state premiers.

The scary thing is we're all getting a little too used to them, and more frighteningly, so are the governments.

Yep… very scary precedents have been set. And given the amount of public support (which doesn’t all seem to be Stockholm syndrome), I’m concerned for the future of our country once this particular episode is behind us.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I guess the politicians are hiding behind one or two screens. For some, the CHO did it, not my fault, and for others the financial reckoning will be an SEP (somebody else’s problem).

Absolutely agree. I just find it so distressing that after 16 months we are still doing this same stuff. It's emotionally exhausting, and I have a safe job, don't own a business that is struggling. I can't imagine how gruelling that would be.

 

[jakeseven7]

Hopefully not too far off that vaccinated people will be exempt from state border closures

——

Australians have a 'vaccine passport' to avoid border closures. We're not using it. Yet.​

Australians have a 'vaccine passport' to avoid lockdowns and border closures. But we're not using it

Bruce Springsteen gigs, packed football matches and European travel – an app on your phone could unlock them all, but there are no plans yet to use it in Australia.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Seat0B]

Agreed. But since I couldn't find any information about transits via ADL on the SA government website, I've changed my booking to a direct PER-CBR flight.

Now go straight to the AFF Confessional Thread and out yourself please @Mattg