Crew Showed MA15+ Movie to all PAX on QF59

[MarkD]

Hmmm. Slow news day today. Morale police all out in force it seems. Next time you go outside your door, plug your ears and put on the eye shade.

 

[p--and--t]

there’s a bit of hyperventilating going on here.

Ah, you mean like many (most) of AFF threads?

 

[gtrod]

I’d argue every pax is either of age, or has adult supervision.

The adults need to be consenting to supervise which clearly some weren't.

It's also not just 12-14 year olds. Unaccompanied minors travel from 6 on their own with basic supervision from flight attendants. Kids can also travel together without parents so long as one is aged 15+, but that sibling can't give consent for the film.

I've made use of both unaccompanied bookings and also sent kids on their own when one was over 15. I don't think it's uncommon at all.

 

[Lynda2475]

The flight was international, you have to be at least 12 to fly QFi as an unaccompanied minorr.

 

[justinbrett]

The flight was international, you have to be at least 12 to fly QFi as an unaccompanied minorr.

They can but the airline assumes the role of guardian. That’s why you have to pay. Either someone is responsible for the child or the parent has agreed for the child to be unaccompanied.

The adults need to be consenting to supervise which clearly some weren't.

And I’m sure they advised the crew which is why the film was turned off.

Again, the “court” (whatever hypothetical jurisdiction would take on a case like this) would not distinguish between what a child could access via the IFE interface or whether the film was screened. Either way the film was made available to the child.

There has to be some common sense applied here. How many decades has personal IFE existed? Why is it now suddenly a problem, only after news blatantly mis-report it as literal cough being screened? Again, this wouldn’t have even made the news if the truth was reported from the get go.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The flight was international, you have to be at least 12 to fly QFi as an unaccompanied minorr.

According to the QF website children can between 5 and 11 to qualify for travel as an unaccompanied minor on international flights of 6 hours or longer.

There are some exclusions like connections longer than 4 hours.

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/travel-info/children/unaccompanied.html#ages-flight-restriction-and-fees

 

[gtrod]

There has to be some common sense applied here. How many decades has personal IFE existed?

Airline IFE typically has a Kids mode and once enabled it can't be disabled except by a FA.

Why is it now suddenly a problem, only after news blatantly mis-report it as literal cough being screened?

Most would consider the language shown to be extremely graphic. Would you really want to be explaining to a primary school kid why the blokes cough is so hard and throbbing. Or why the girl is dripping wet?

Note that other jurisdictions have rated the movie R primarily because of the extremely graphic language.

You can see a summary of the film as it relates to kids with the language rated 10/10:

Daddio [2023] [R] - 8.2.10 | Parents' Guide & Review | Kids-In-Mind.com

On a cab ride home from JFK airport, a woman (Dakota Johnson) has an intense conversation with her cab driver (Sean Penn) about their lives and the significant relationships in them. Also with Marcos A. Gonzalez. Directed by Christy Hall. One line of dialogue is spoken in Spanish without...

kids-in-mind.com

 

[justinbrett]

Airline IFE typically has a Kids mode and once enabled it can't be disabled except by a FA.

As far as I’m aware the QF system is only restricted if proactively set by the pax. Pax over 12 unaccompanied are treated the same as any other pax so this would not be set for them. The only extra service they get (classed as “Young Passengers”) is assistance during flight disruptions. Nothing on board, no supervision.

Your confusion with classifications isn’t helping. Every country has a different system and to say some classify it as R doesn’t mean anything. The US classification of R is equivalent to our MA15.

 

[Quickstatus]

Airline IFE typically has a Kids mode and once enabled it can't be disabled except by a FA.

There are kids menu in the IFE but thats all. I have not seen parental lock capability
If there is a lockout, it would be available to CC only but I have not seen it.

Can you imagine individual IFE getting locked out which is not unlocked at end of the flight and the subsequent CC then have to fix for the subsequent flight. No

 

[RooFlyer]

but why couldn't you just turn screen off if you didn't want to watch?

They couldn’t. That’s the main issue of the whole thread.

 

[justinbrett]

I think the only way forward from here is to ban children from flying.

 

[DejaBrew]

I think the only way forward from here is to ban children from flying.

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That was the precise meme that was in my head

 

[DejaBrew]

Most would consider the language shown to be extremely graphic. Would you really want to be explaining to a primary school kid why the blokes cough is so hard and throbbing. Or why the girl is dripping wet?

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Well the bloke’s rooster is one really tough chook, but it’s dealing with a pounding headache. As for the girl? She was caught out in the rain and got soaked!

And if we’re going to go down this path of overt morality, then imagine explaining to a child what they’ve just seen/read in a News.com.au article that was freely accessible to all ages? And imagine explaining to a child what they’ve just been exposed to courtesy of an otherwise innocent post on a forum about Frequent Flying to which they can readily become a member?
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In all seriousness though, you’re naive to imagine that primary school kids haven’t already been exposed to these words or phrases (let alone anything worse). I’m not saying it’s right that they have been, or that it’s a green light for them to be exposed to anything and everything in film and television, but kids are more often than not way more clued up on things than adults otherwise give them credit (or wish to admit).

 

[milehighclub]

There are kids menu in the IFE but thats all. I have not seen parental lock capability
If there is a lockout, it would be available to CC only but I have not seen it.

So as you've mentioned, there is the kids menu. This takes you to the kid themed interface with kids movies/tv. Child mode can be exited by a series of simple questions such as origin and destination code or a seat number by the adult or potentially even the child.

CC have access to a rating lock and this limits the content of the IFE, on a individual seat basis, to the highest rating as selected by the crew - this happens generally when there is a UM.

Can you imagine individual IFE getting locked out which is not unlocked at end of the flight and the subsequent CC then have to fix for the subsequent flight. No

As Panasonic is the IFE for all aircraft, the system detects when the aircraft has landed and this sets a timer to close the flight after X amount of time. This means the system is ready to be opened for a new one and anything previously selected, be it language PAs, content ratings, resets done on faulty seats etc is reset for the new sector. Every flight is closed and open as it triggers a range of things, such as the menus for economy etc, so it would be very rare that a flight hasn't been done.

Occasionally they may also turn the entire system off, which occurs after flight close. This could've been the case after the QF59 landed, in the hopes that a full shut down may have rectified the problem, even though it may not have before (stranger things have happened).

 

[MARTINE]

I’d never heard of the movie Daddio until reading this thread. Learn something new all the time — but certainly seen many T’s and A on flights over the decades in a leisurely stroll to the facilities inappropriate for children. I get this was involuntary exposure (pardon the pun); however, part of our role as parents is to discuss/interpret context with children. Many music videos/lyrics are equally ‘graphic’ - again observation not judgement…
So my take — no one should have to watch a program involuntarily on a plane — 14hours of The Block would make me lose the will to live.
IFE will contain material unsuitable for children and children may see via other screens — but should not be censored.
AFAIK - no airline screens coughography.

Edited to add: I am aware there will be unaccompanied minors.

 

[bPeteb]

Blimey, four pages!

For anyone saying it wouldn't/couldn't be on fta tv I call bs. There is so much graphic sex and violence on every channel on fta tv. Once graphic sex and nudity was the preserve of SBS in its early days. Now it's every channel, and then there's the streaming channels.

Just for my interest. If a parent had sat down and locked the ife for their sprog/s would this have been overriden by the fa putting this on?

 

[tomlee1986]

Blimey, four pages!

For anyone saying it wouldn't/couldn't be on fta tv I call bs. There is so much graphic sex and violence on every channel on fta tv. Once graphic sex and nudity was the preserve of SBS in its early days. Now it's every channel, and then there's the streaming channels.

Just for my interest. If a parent had sat down and locked the ife for their sprog/s would this have been overriden by the fa putting this on?

Sadly we won’t know because it was malfunctioning

 

[serfty]

Just for my interest. If a parent had sat down and locked the ife for their sprog/s would this have been overriden by the fa putting this on?

Sadly we won’t know because it was malfunctioning

We can assume the AVOD was not working but the broadcast mode was. As mentioned in prior posts, PAX have no control of the screen when in broadcast mode.

 

[half-hour]

Would the cabin crew really do a poll of every passenger to see what they wanted to watch? It sounds a bit unlikely.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Would the cabin crew really do a poll of every passenger to see what they wanted to watch? It sounds a bit unlikely.

And then would status or cabin have more weighting in the poll?