EDR Targeted Bonus Point Promotions

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I always thought that was a wife's mantra :)!

I have actually read the last few hundred messages :shock: and that's why I was a little puzzled that both Mrs C (heavy loyal Woolies shopper) and I ($80 BWS shopper for first time in 2 years) got same offer. So I guess you are suggesting that Mrs C gives her card a rest and uses my card for her big shop this week.

More 'political' than that.

Split the order so say around $40 to the ancient card, 2/3rds normal spend on Mrs C's card and the rest no card.

Yes, not a good idea to do when there is a long queue or very busy time.

Reasons for splitting:
  • Do not set a high hurdle on ancient card (it is a different account not just an old card to the same account?)
  • Mrs C becomes a 'declining' spend (and decreases amount on this card over the next few weeks before not using it for a few weeks)
  • No EDR used - balancing spend which generates 4 cents per litre coupons so WoW also misses that spending (if you currently use WoW petrol vouchers).
So in a few weeks the ancient card stays around the $30-40 spend, Mrs C goes to zero and a good chunk is untracked. If any children over 14 then they may like to open an account....
 
I always thought that was a wife's mantra :)!

I have actually read the last few hundred messages :shock: and that's why I was a little puzzled that both Mrs C (heavy loyal Woolies shopper) and I ($80 BWS shopper for first time in 2 years) got same offer. So I guess you are suggesting that Mrs C gives her card a rest and uses my card for her big shop this week.

One must play the game, but not get caught in the hamster wheel!
 
I've tried several of the supposed "tricks" over the last year or so, and it doesn't seem to make any difference whatsoever to the frequency and type of offers I receive. Despite only taking up one bonus points offer in the past year (which was 250 points for $30 spend I think), that's mostly what I seem to get - bonus points offers (which I'm not in the least bit interested in anyway) for spend targets around the $80-$100 mark, which is way above what I ever spend at Woolworths. I never seem to get any of the $off ones that many others receive, which actually WOULD encourage me to shop more often at Woolworths. Over the last year or so, I've tried: swiping the card only for shops over $30, swiping the card for every purchase, not using the card at all, using the card just for the occasional small purchase (once a month or so), and each of those has been for 3-4 months at a time - not sure whether I'm not trying these things for long enough, but nothing seems to work in getting better or even more relevant offers.
 
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Husband just received an offer - spend $30 in one transaction and receive $5 off. Applies to each of next 3 weeks. His card is NEVER used.
 
250 points for $30 spend. Might manage that.

How I wish... I almost never get points bonus offers any more, and when I do they're usually over $100.

We spent $25 at Woolworths today and wont need to shop again until next week, so my points earning has really taken a hit. I do have a double points offer, but still need to get over $30 for that to even take effect :p

I'm happy for them to know my shopping habits... but they're not very smart on the 'enticing me to spend' front ;)
 
How I wish... I almost never get points bonus offers any more, and when I do they're usually over $100.

We spent $25 at Woolworths today and wont need to shop again until next week, so my points earning has really taken a hit. I do have a double points offer, but still need to get over $30 for that to even take effect :p

I'm happy for them to know my shopping habits... but they're not very smart on the 'enticing me to spend' front ;)

That was your first mistake.

All rewards/loyalty schemes are designed to make the unwary customer become a more stretched and greater spending customer. The forerunner to all these schemes 'modern manipulation' were the algorithms used by credit card issuing companies.

I had the opportunity for a few years to talk with the head of the largest CC issuer in the world. I was a pragmatist (cynic) before the conversations - hard to know what I was classed as post them.

The terminology/psychology used for loyalty schemes and ccs is very similar.

With ccs you have 'revolvers' & 'clearers'.

Revolvers are good (no not an advert for the NRA), clearers are EVIL - at least in the eyes of cc issuers.

So the algorithm used tries to build up an accurate picture of every cards (& linked ones) spending profile, a VERY accurate spending profile where it tries to identify cycles within cycles within cycles (a bit like crime data analysis - once some software is developed who knows where it can be used).

It ids regular cycles (annual, quarterly etc) as well as 'incident' cycles such as holidays, health, disasters etc.

This is done in a slightly different way for 'revolvers' vs 'clearers'.

Then once it reaches a certain confidence level, and subject to the internal credit rating of the account holder, it tries to convert you. In a different way for each major spending type. There are sub-groups within each type btw.

Now the psychology goes to work in a big way.

One aim is to convert 'clearers' to revolving (always having an outstanding balance paying interest).

Another is to get 'revolvers' to extend themselves just short of the point of declaring bankruptcy. Doing a little digging since my original conversations has shown that some companies' definition of 'just short' is measured in microns on a bright sunny day with a cool breeze so-to-say.

SO finally getting to the point.

You are close to the ideal customer as:


  • You are happy for them to know your shopping habits (big tick)
  • You are virtually giving it to them for free as your regular spend seems to be below the threshold for earning any points, so no cost (big tick)
  • You don't seem to recognise the value of the data you are providing them - helps working capital planning etc (big tick)
  • You appear only mildly affected by the lack of earnings (tick)
  • You appear that you are not looking to game the system (huge tick)
  • You didn't mention that you'd rated the offer (top right of email) as very poor (tick)

Personally I like more money in my pocket than theirs aka the customer from hell. Data has a value to them - make sure you charge for it.


  • Do each of you have an UNLINKED EDR account? If not then create one in your partners name.
  • Any children/others at home? Create an account for each.
  • Use the same psychology that is being used against you, the customer, against WoW (or Westfarmers).

See some of my and others earlier postings on 'game theory'. Algorithms run these schemes not people. Once you identify what inputs matter then its time to play.

The rules do get modified by the companies in an attempt to 'enhance' (there's that word again) their benefit and not the customers. Like an ever slow motion game of chess.

your move....
 
Thank you for explaining what "game theory" is. A young friend is just finishing a masters in game theory economics (he is very bight) and it has been bugging me what it is.
 
Excellent post.

  • You appear that you are not looking to game the system (huge tick)

Isn't this why we are all here? Missing out on this point goes against everything this site is about imo.
 
Mum - double bonus points this weekend
Dad - double bonus points this weekend
Brother - double bonus points this weekend
Fiancée - double bonus points this weekend

First week of my $$5 off for $30 spend
 
We had some good offers this week;

I had the spend $40 / get $10 off and today it stacked with a spend $50 / get 200 points.
Mr SydneySwan junior had spend $40 / get $10 off.
Mrs SydneySwan had spend $30 / get 250 points.

All offers taken up today by buying multiple Amaysim $44.90 5GB recharge vouchers which were discounted to $19.90 and all paid for using discounted Wish and Big W vouchers.

Probably our best return ever from shopping at Woollies.
 
Okay I receive a spent $50 WW online with free delivery and get 5,000 points.

I placed an order of $60 on delivery $12 worth of goods not received as out of stock. I contacted EDR rewards and they said I hadn't meet the conditions but as compensation for the situation I'd receive a complimentary 3,000 points instead. After considering it I call this a win, technically they are right and 3,000 points for $48 spend (in the end) is a good earner but really if they charge you card for the spent amount (difference refunded later) and don't tell you they are out of stock when ordering and you miss out it feels like an incentive to mislead.
 
Okay I receive a spent $50 WW online with free delivery and get 5,000 points.

I placed an order of $60 on delivery $12 worth of goods not received as out of stock. I contacted EDR rewards and they said I hadn't meet the conditions but as compensation for the situation I'd receive a complimentary 3,000 points instead. After considering it I call this a win, technically they are right and 3,000 points for $48 spend (in the end) is a good earner but really if they charge you card for the spent amount (difference refunded later) and don't tell you they are out of stock when ordering and you miss out it feels like an incentive to mislead.

Actually i would suggest you did meet the terms and conditions. The requirement was to 'spend' $50 - which you did. That $12 were unavailable is outside your control, and should be considered as a refund, rather than not spending in the first plane.

Far from being a 'great deal', I'd suggest you've lost 2000 points for the sake of $2. That 1000 points per dollar.
 
My FIL has a QFF membership - he is a US citizen and would have joined QFF from the US I suspect. He also has a EDR card with his preference for points to credit to QFF. He lives overseas, and his QFF points are coming up to expiry before his next trip here in Dec. I have swiped his EDR card twice for purchases over $30 but no QFF points have been credited. Does anyone know if his US/QFF membership would preclude his point earn?
 
My FIL has a QFF membership - he is a US citizen and would have joined QFF from the US I suspect. He also has a EDR card with his preference for points to credit to QFF. He lives overseas, and his QFF points are coming up to expiry before his next trip here in Dec. I have swiped his EDR card twice for purchases over $30 but no QFF points have been credited. Does anyone know if his US/QFF membership would preclude his point earn?

Someone else might chime in here, but in terms of an immediate 'fix' you need to (a) make sure the EDR is indeed correctly married to the QFFF account, and (b) if not already the case, jump on line and change the address (all of them) to yours here in Australia.
 
Actually i would suggest you did meet the terms and conditions. The requirement was to 'spend' $50 - which you did. That $12 were unavailable is outside your control, and should be considered as a refund, rather than not spending in the first plane.

Far from being a 'great deal', I'd suggest you've lost 2000 points for the sake of $2. That 1000 points per dollar.



I'd agree. That the offer was made by EDR and accepted by you by way of an order constitutes a contract. This was confirmed when EDR withdrew in excess of the required $50 from your CC account.
 
Someone else might chime in here, but in terms of an immediate 'fix' you need to (a) make sure the EDR is indeed correctly married to the QFFF account, and (b) if not already the case, jump on line and change the address (all of them) to yours here in Australia.


EDR linked to QFF account - address in AUS. QFF - no AUS address but his embassy address from 2 years ago - deleted that and input AUS home address.
Points showing up on EDR account just not in QFF.
 
Someone else might chime in here, but in terms of an immediate 'fix' you need to (a) make sure the EDR is indeed correctly married to the QFFF account, and (b) if not already the case, jump on line and change the address (all of them) to yours here in Australia.

Perhaps do a temporary change of address to yours. Call EDR and tell them that you will be relocating to Australia for a while and if an address change is the most suitable arrangement. Whilst you have them on the phone broach the subject of the missing points. Someone chime in if you think this too complicated...:)

edit: Oh, that's essentially what you said.:oops:
 
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