Heads up about program changes

[DC3]

Like Colster, I too earned my WP status flying discount Y - QF all the way except when they didn't fly the route. Sure the F lounge was crowded at times, (the domestic lounge was like a front bar more often than not!!), but the extra perks that came with the WP status usually made the pain, that much easier ...

And there will be many more in similar situations to yourselves who, depending on their Y routes, may have to make a decision to do even more flying than they do now in order to maintain WP, following the most recent enhancement ... or else drop to SG, and no F Lounge then.

And when will QF review (raise) the SC requirements for WP anyway, putting that out of reach for many (say 1800 SC for SG and 2500 SC for WP), and therefore creating even more space in the F Lounge for the most deserving?

Just my thoughts.

 

[Colster]

For me that would be the last straw. As I have previously said, as a genuine FF (rather than a F Europe twice per year) i want to be recognized and given small perks. If they take that one saving grace away, they lose me forever.

 

[TonyHancock]

For me that would be the last straw. As I have previously said, as a genuine FF (rather than a F Europe twice per year) i want to be recognized and given small perks. If they take that one saving grace away, they lose me forever.

I noticed earlier in the thread someone wondering what the definition of a frequent flyer is. I certainly do not consider myself a frequent flyer, what is your definition? I always think a frequent flyer is difficult to define.

 

[Archphoto]

And there will be many more in similar situations to yourselves who, depending on their Y routes, may have to make a decision to do even more flying than they do now in order to maintain WP, following the most recent enhancement ... or else drop to SG, and no F Lounge then.

And when will QF review (raise) the SC requirements for WP anyway, putting that out of reach for many (say 1800 SC for SG and 2500 SC for WP), and therefore creating even more space in the F Lounge for the most deserving?

I think that is actually the next big question - Will they raise the bar for Status acquirement and retention?

As far as "the most deserving" for F lounge access, who exactly do they feel is actually "the most deserving"? Those who fly only QF J/F? Those who fly QF only regardless of class? OW partner members who fly EK/BA/CX etc in J/F, but choose the QF Lounge over the CX lounge etc? QF members who choose a OW carrier J/F but still use the QF lounge over the OW carrier's lounge?

It's all rather subjective, and if QF is happy to reduce SCs on non-QF flights, what's to stop them suddenly dis-allowing non-QF members accessing the QF F lounge in the future?:shock:

 

[BD1959]

And they pumped it up to flog it to a PE firm. They also didn't order any new aircraft leaving them with an aged fleet (those 737-400's should have gone a long time ago). Just because it made a profit, doesn't mean it was being run well.. Slashing capital growth to boost profits is a short term gain and a long term loss.

I think you'll find that the APA bid was well before the 2008 results were posted (try at least a year!) ... I don't think QF were pumping anything in that round of results.

They didn't order any new aircraft? At the time of that report they had over 200 aircraft ordered for delivery August 2008 onwards (about a 50/50 split between QF and JQ).

Oh, and they were holding on to their cash so much, they paid a dividend (remember them??)

Regards,

BD

 

[Archphoto]

I noticed earlier in the thread someone wondering what the definition of a frequent flyer is. I certainly do not consider myself a frequent flyer, what is your definition? I always think a frequent flyer is difficult to define.

I always think it's someone who flies more than they drive a car - using it as "public transport", regardless of the class they fly.

 

[Ansett]

I think you'll find that the APA bid was well before the 2008 results were posted (try at least a year!) ... I don't think QF were pumping anything in that round of results.

They didn't order any new aircraft? At the time of that report they had over 200 aircraft ordered for delivery August 2008 onwards (about a 50/50 split between QF and JQ).

Oh, and they were holding on to their cash so much, they paid a dividend (remember them??)

Regards,

BD

Yes instead of diverting money buying back shares that could perhaps have been better invested back in the business.

 

[HarryB]

And they pumped it up to flog it to a PE firm. They also didn't order any new aircraft leaving them with an aged fleet (those 737-400's should have gone a long time ago). Just because it made a profit, doesn't mean it was being run well.. Slashing capital growth to boost profits is a short term gain and a long term loss.

If AJ had only been at the helm for a short amount of time you'd have an argument. But, he has had long enough to be well beyond the timeframe that allows him to point to the previous management and apportion blame. It's not even gone ok, it's got worse and getting worse still and Wayne Swan could have been in charge before AJ and he still couldn't blame him for the $hit he has steered the airline towards.

 

[SQ421]

Ok so would you prefer the QF F Lounge with massage Neil Perry food etc or the EK lounge with none of the above. Could it not be that EK passengers have recognised how much better the QF F lounge is than the EK lounge. Now let me also say that in Singapore I am sure that EK customers are complaining of overcrowding given that a good number of QF customers feel that the EK lounge is better than the QF lounge. Now lets consider those flying BA or CX which of those two OW airlines has a better lounge in Sydney or Melbourne than QF?

Look at it again through different eyes if you are going via Hong Kong do you go to the QF lounge or the F Wing?

Like it or not people in the F lounge are entitled to be in it. I would suggest that those who earned it via MASA would be MINIMAL at best

Read again and you'll find that I wasn't the one complaining about who's in the F Lounge or the fact that the F Lounge is crowded during parts of the day.

 

[Rebekkap]

SomeTHINK..............................

But most don't...

 

[DC3]

I always think it's someone who spends hours in the air, using it as "public transport", regardless of the class they fly.

But then, to be called a frequent flyer on that basis, would that be 150 hours, 300 hours, 500 hours, 1000 hours, or something else, per year?

Or could it be based on the number of flights taken and not the time actually spent in the air?

 

[serfty]

The Private equity bid failed in May 2007 and put to rest finally by June - I have no doubt any action taken in relation to the bid had significant affect on the 2008 results ...

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....m/qantas-being-taken-over-macquarie-8394.html

 

[BD1959]

Yes instead of diverting money buying back shares that could perhaps have been better invested back in the business.

Time will tell whether that was a wise decision or not. QF is currently a sitting duck due to its share price, buying shares at a relatively low price to protect itself from a hostile takeover can be a prudent strategy.

Of course, that share price is largely a result of the current Board's efforts!

... but we are travelling Waaaaayyyyyy off topic!!

Regards,

BD

 

[Archphoto]

But then, to be called a frequent flyer on that basis, would that be 150 hours, 300 hours, 500 hours, 1000 hours, or something else, per year?

Or could it be based on the number of flights taken and not the time actually spent in the air?

Actually DC3, that is exactly what I was thinking; flights rather than hours. Duh! Been a long day and I'm ready for an ice cold beer!!! (And I've amended my original post to reflect this.)

 

[lovestotravel]

So now I simply combine my Qantas Aquire membership with my normal membership and I get more points for my discount Y flights domestically


Go figure

 

[Archphoto]

So now I simply combine my Qantas Aquire membership with my normal membership and I get more points for my discount Y flights domestically


Go figure

Careful, you never know who's lurking; could be another "Enhancement" in the works to make it "Simplified & Fairer".

 

[kevrosmith]

As a hard earned discount Y platinum

If you're a discount-Y Platinum member, you may not be for much longer... perhaps you'll need to start purchasing Flexi-fares to maintain that tier level in the future...

 

[kevrosmith]

I noticed earlier in the thread someone wondering what the definition of a frequent flyer is. I certainly do not consider myself a frequent flyer, what is your definition? I always think a frequent flyer is difficult to define.

I'm on a flight every second or third day. Does that qualify as a frequent flyer?

 

[Archphoto]

I'm on a flight every second or third day. Does that qualify as a frequent flyer?

In my book it sure does!!

 

[whatmeworry]

I wonder if the new Aquire program for business will be robbing the small guy, which resulted in the recent enhancements!