How will Ukraine Situation affect travel

[antycbr]

Who has the call on airspace rights over Gulf of Finland? Helsinki and Tallinn are pretty close.

There’s an international corridor down the middle but it’s very tight quarters.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Latvia is considering banning Russian overflights.

 

[antycbr]

Latvia is considering banning Russian overflights.

For defence reasons if nothing else. Your scheduled overflight suddenly rocks up at Riga with some little green men on board.

 

[Must...Fly!]

For defence reasons if nothing else. Your scheduled overflight suddenly rocks up at Riga with some little green men on board.

Yes that is so much more likely than a ground invasion from Belarus......

 

[antycbr]

Yes that is so much more likely than a ground invasion from Belarus......

I think the Belarusians are getting tired of copping all the flak for being the launching pad. I doubt that they’ll be keen tor a second front.

Kazakhstan didn’t seem too keen on helping out either.

I know it’s unlikely it was tongue in cheek if you missed the jest in which it was said.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I think the Belarusians are getting tired of copping all the flak for being the launching pad. I doubt that they’ll be keen tor a second front.

Kazakhstan didn’t seem too keen on helping out either.

I know it’s unlikely it was tongue in cheek if you missed the jest in which it was said.

Must've missed it.

As for Belarus, travel there has always been difficult. Lukashenko is quite literally owned by Putin now after last year's protection racket. It is as good as Russian territory (and potential for it to officially be so)

 

[Must...Fly!]

Latvia and Estonia airspace is closing to Russian aircraft.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Can anyone please produce a (Europe, or East Europe) map of closed airspace for Russia?

 

[jase05]

Can anyone please produce a (Europe, or East Europe) map of closed airspace for Russia?

Forgive my ignorance but what are the penalties for disobedience?
It’s not as if Estonia, Latvia etc are going to shoot the aircraft down and Russia are never going to pay any financial penalty imposed

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Forgive my ignorance but what are the penalties for disobedience?
It’s not as if Estonia, Latvia etc are going to shoot the aircraft down and Russia are never going to pay any financial penalty imposed

Depends on practicalities of seizing money for debts I would suspect.

Where a NATO member is involved, one might in the extreme see some scrambled jets from Germany make visual contact with the particular civilian Russian plane...

Edit to add article

NATO jets scrambled hundreds of times in 2021 to guard Allied airspace

NATO fighter jets scrambled around 370 times across Europe in 2021, mostly to check aircraft flying unannounced near Allied air space. Around 80 percent of the missions, 290 in total, were in response to flights by Russian military aircraft.

www.nato.int

 

[justinbrett]

Forgive my ignorance but what are the penalties for disobedience?
It’s not as if Estonia, Latvia etc are going to shoot the aircraft down and Russia are never going to pay any financial penalty imposed

They’re NATO countries though and NATO would easily be able escort the aircraft and force it to land.

Belarus did that to Ryanair not that long ago.

If we’re talking about civilian airliners, even Russian ones, it’s very unlikely they would try this on.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Latvia and Estonia airspace is closing to Russian aircraft.

Lithuania has joined them.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Can anyone please produce a (Europe, or East Europe) map of closed airspace for Russia?

You'll need to imagine Lithuania added. Remember Kaliningrad is between Poland and Lithuania on the coast.

 

[jrfsp]

If Europe can agree to cut russia off from SWIFT that will end nearly all overflights id imagine

 

[jrfsp]

Lithuania has joined them.

And romania and slovenia now too

Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas called on all other EU countries to follow suit.

The powerhouses of the EU dont seen so keen....

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

And romania and slovenia now too

The powerhouses of the EU dont seen so keen....

Mostly the former Eastern Bloc. Almost a matter of who hasn't yet - Hungary, Slovakia, other former Yugoslavia.

Then add Finland and Turkey for more pain.

 

[Must...Fly!]

If Europe can agree to cut russia off from SWIFT that will end nearly all overflights id imagine

Germany has decided to support it, I suspect by the time we wake up in the morning it may well be agreed.

I'm not sure it's the best idea but it is certainly symbolic.

 

[jrfsp]

Germany has decided to support it, I suspect by the time we wake up in the morning it may well be agreed.

I'm not sure it's the best idea but it is certainly symbolic.

Indeed

Airlines will be fighting to survive if this continues to escalate and we go back to the cold war days of refuelling in Anchorage.

QF shouldnt be too badly affected, just a fairly minor reroute required. Although it may well subdue demand if things do escalate

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

How the Ukraine conflict could redraw the world air map | CNN

Russia's military action has created huge no-go areas in the sky, with major implications for long-haul carriers that normally ply the skies of Eastern Europe en route to Asia. Here's what that will mean for passengers and airlines.

edition.cnn.com

Not yet updated for the recent additions.

 

[jrfsp]

2 KLMs flights just did an about turn at the Russian border returning to AMS

Must be something in the works or the airline decided to avoid russian airspace