Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[jakeseven7]

Never say never. It was only 325 years or so before the black death stopped circulating through Europe.

Phew thank goodness for lifetime status!

 

[drron]

Never say never. It was only 325 years or so before the black death stopped circulating through Europe.

But that wasn't how long the pandemic lasted and it is still circulating in Europe.
It is also still circulating in Australia.We were also affected by the last of the plaques with 1371 cases dying in Australia between 1900 and 1925.
ttps://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/when-the-plague-came-to-australia-s-shores

We still kept travelling and no State border closures.

 

[oz_mark]

But that wasn't how long the pandemic lasted and it is still circulating in Europe.
It is also still circulating in Australia.We were also affected by the last of the plaques with 1371 cases dying in Australia between 1900 and 1925.
ttps://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/when-the-plague-came-to-australia-s-shores

We still kept travelling and no State border closures.

Although, in 1925 travel was done in far less numbers and at much slower speed!

 

[PineappleSkip]

it is still circulating in Europe

Sorry, a throwaway line. The reference to 325 years was years of continuous outbreaks, when it appeared each consecutive year, starting with the catastrophic years in the 14th century, according to Wikipedia. And of course earlier events like the plague of Justinan.



cheers skip

 

[ethernet]

I think the cause of this is becoming apparent - bilateral damage. JQ just cancelled flights out of .vn for next month now November. Air Asia is supposted to be starting close to August. But the sweetheart deal via HK with QF and Cathay goes on. It really looks like tit for tat over reciprocity is alive and well. Can't even get it right at the state level. That puts Australians in the East Germany/North Korea basket.

 

[p--and--t]

Well no travel bubble yet for Thailand it seems, not even a severely limited one to only experts and high priority business.

No tourists before October (and potentially none for 2020) is forecast

Thailand ‘Travel Bubble’ Plan For Foreign Experts & Business Travelers Immediately Dismissed, Flight Ban Might Be Extended

Thailand tried to find a solution for regulated foreign business traffic.

loyaltylobby.com

 

[CityRail]

Well no travel bubble yet for Thailand it seems, not even a severely limited one to only experts and high priority business.

No tourists before October (and potentially none for 2020) is forecast

Thailand ‘Travel Bubble’ Plan For Foreign Experts & Business Travelers Immediately Dismissed, Flight Ban Might Be Extended

Thailand tried to find a solution for regulated foreign business traffic.

loyaltylobby.com

I think October is possibly going to be the earliest time when some tourists are allowed to go back.

The thing is that Coronavirus seems is getting worse than the initial wave, some European countries and USA are seeing a potential second wave coming, and even back at home, we are seeing second wave happening in Melbourne.

So I think we might need to wait for the AstraZeneca vaccine ready for distribution (estimated in October) so that we can open up some more countries.

Information about AstraZeneca vaccine is here:

AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine likely to protect for a year, CEO says

The British drugmaker has already begun human trials of the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford, with a phase I trial in Britain due to end soon.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Pushka]

I think October is possibly going to be the earliest time when some tourists are allowed to go back.

The thing is that Coronavirus seems is getting worse than the initial wave, some European countries and USA are seeing a potential second wave coming, and even back at home, we are seeing second wave happening in Melbourne.

So I think we might need to wait for the AstraZeneca vaccine ready for distribution (estimated in October) so that we can open up some more countries.

Information about AstraZeneca vaccine is here:

AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine likely to protect for a year, CEO says

The British drugmaker has already begun human trials of the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford, with a phase I trial in Britain due to end soon.

www.cnbc.com

That would be a fabulous outcome.

 

[Scarlett]

I think the cause of this is becoming apparent - bilateral damage. JQ just cancelled flights out of .vn for next month now November. Air Asia is supposted to be starting close to August. But the sweetheart deal via HK with QF and Cathay goes on. It really looks like tit for tat over reciprocity is alive and well. Can't even get it right at the state level. That puts Australians in the East Germany/North Korea basket.

@ethernet Is there an English language version of this post? I ask as whilst I can read each sentence individually, as a collection of sentences, I have no idea what your post is about.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I think October is possibly going to be the earliest time when some tourists are allowed to go back.

The thing is that Coronavirus seems is getting worse than the initial wave, some European countries and USA are seeing a potential second wave coming, and even back at home, we are seeing second wave happening in Melbourne.

So I think we might need to wait for the AstraZeneca vaccine ready for distribution (estimated in October) so that we can open up some more countries.

Information about AstraZeneca vaccine is here:

AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine likely to protect for a year, CEO says

The British drugmaker has already begun human trials of the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford, with a phase I trial in Britain due to end soon.

www.cnbc.com

I’d love this to be true but there will not be a commercially available vaccine in October 2020. Zero chance in fact.

 

[JB expat]

I'm pretty certain there will be no affordable travel insurance that will cover covid. And it isn't the "what if I need to go to the hospital" coverage that is the only concern. It is that while covid is still circulating (pre vaccine), there is a fairly realistic chance that one will have to change their travel plans - whether returning home sooner than planned, entering a self-paid quarantine period that was unexpected/implemented on short notice due to an outbreak etc. The potential risks/costs are fairly high - especially for personal travel (companies might opt to assume such risk). I live here in Australia, my 80 year old parents live in the USA. This will be my first year (plus) in 16 years not seeing them since I moved here. Facetime is nice, but it isn't a visit. This just basically stinks.

 

[dajop]

, there is a fairly realistic chance that one will have to change their travel plans - whether returning home sooner than planned, entering a self-paid quarantine period that was unexpected/implemented on short notice due to an outbreak etc. The potential risks/costs are fairly high - especially for personal travel (companies might opt to assume such risk).

Although for many who are well off enough to enjoy overseas travel (particularly holiday travel, as opposed to visiting friends and relatives) these sort of risks/costs are probably costs that are not going to drive such people to the wall. They probably amount to thousands, maybe $10K, but not tens of thousands. But it's the medical bills that really could drive people to the wall - in this instance could be talking hundreds of thousands, not tens of thousands. Of course everybody's situation is different.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I'm pretty certain there will be no affordable travel insurance that will cover covid. And it isn't the "what if I need to go to the hospital" coverage that is the only concern. It is that while covid is still circulating (pre vaccine), there is a fairly realistic chance that one will have to change their travel plans - whether returning home sooner than planned, entering a self-paid quarantine period that was unexpected/implemented on short notice due to an outbreak etc. The potential risks/costs are fairly high - especially for personal travel (companies might opt to assume such risk). I live here in Australia, my 80 year old parents live in the USA. This will be my first year (plus) in 16 years not seeing them since I moved here. Facetime is nice, but it isn't a visit. This just basically stinks.

There’s already quite a few affordable travel insurance policies that cover Covid-19. A couple of good USA specific ones. Unfortunately the ones I have found exclude Australian citizens but every other nation seems to be able to take them out. Cost is about $65 USD for 2 weeks cover for $250K Medical.

 

[p--and--t]

I just saw this article.

Have not read it thoroughly or investigated further, but thought it might be of interest to someone intending to travel to/from/through USA

Insurer launches overseas and domestic road trip coverage for pandemic-era travelers

Seven Corners has launched two new trip policies tailored to the needs of pandemic-era travelers: A medical plan covering overseas medical expenses incurred due to Covid-19 infection, and a North American road trip insurance policy designed to appeal to drivers as interest in motor holidays rises.

www.cnbc.com

 

[dajop]

Unfortunately the ones I have found exclude Australian citizens

Exclude citizens or residents? Most TI policies I am familiar with base speak to place of residence.

 

[JB expat]

There’s already quite a few affordable travel insurance policies that cover Covid-19. A couple of good USA specific ones. Unfortunately the ones I have found exclude Australian citizens but every other nation seems to be able to take them out. Cost is about $65 USD for 2 weeks cover for $250K Medical.

My assumption is that because US medical is so expensive to begin with, covering other countries is not as much as a big deal as Australia insurance covering a trip to America. Just a guess though. I also wonder what the fine print says about your primary health coverage - if the travel policy is only a top up so to speak. Which is quite a gap for us Australians. But if Europeans can get coverage, that blows my theory out of the water. What policies have you looked at - I'm going to investigate.

 

[JB expat]

I just saw this article.

Have not read it thoroughly or investigated further, but thought it might be of interest to someone intending to travel to/from/through USA

Insurer launches overseas and domestic road trip coverage for pandemic-era travelers

Seven Corners has launched two new trip policies tailored to the needs of pandemic-era travelers: A medical plan covering overseas medical expenses incurred due to Covid-19 infection, and a North American road trip insurance policy designed to appeal to drivers as interest in motor holidays rises.

www.cnbc.com

These seem to be only for US residents who are looking for coverage.

 

[Princess Fiona]

My assumption is that because US medical is so expensive to begin with, covering other countries is not as much as a big deal as Australia insurance covering a trip to America. Just a guess though. I also wonder what the fine print says about your primary health coverage - if the travel policy is only a top up so to speak. Which is quite a gap for us Australians. But if Europeans can get coverage, that blows my theory out of the water. What policies have you looked at - I'm going to investigate.

Europeans can get cover. I think we are excluded just now due to to DFAT Do Not Travel.
Here’s one of them
Diplomat American

 

[Princess Fiona]

Exclude citizens or residents? Most TI policies I am familiar with base speak to place of residence.

The two I looked at are “Citizens”

 

[JB expat]

Europeans can get cover. I think we are excluded just now due to to DFAT Do Not Travel.
Here’s one of them
Diplomat American

Thanks - will save this for when borders re-open and it feels a bit safer (I'm not sure yet what that means to me - may very well be only when there is a vaccine, but time will tell)