The totally off-topic thread

[JessicaTam]

Thats the spirit!

(HVR and JessT, this is not an invitation to do your pun thing! )

But you started it!

Ah, mon cheri, I would hate you to think rum of me if I didn't. In fact scotch the thought ma dear, I wouldn't dream of it. You would be after me like a shot, and I think you have my measure. Anyway, I will stop stirring now.

 

[JohnK]

But how can you drink the diet stuff? It tastes feral to me.
I'll be not virtuous and stick with the sweet stuff. We've moved to Cascade tonic water and it has a lovely flavour.

Any diet stuff or just diet tonic water?

I don't mind the diet coke/pepsi max/coke zero/coke light drinks. They are OK. Tried diet Sprite once and it was awful.

 

[Mal]

The Internet isn't helping me due to various opinions, so I might as well ask here too.

If you have a poor cut of steak (say rump with lots of sinew and gristle features) but can't slow cook it and have to pan fry it.... Will it be better rare, or medium rare? Internet seems to have a lot of conflicting opinions, gristle and sinew can render down if the steak is cooked well, but conversely, I've always thought that rare keeps poor steak tender.

Thoughts?

 

[coco50]

Absolutely. Most fats are good for you.

Animal fats generally make meat taste better, but unfortunately they are not good for you, so consume in moderation. Generally speaking, the leaner meat is, the better it is for you, but it is usually bland and tasteless. I usually look at nutrition labels when I buy food. I concentrate on fat sugars and sodium. No-one has yet developed a food that is low in each of these, although vegetable fats do have many benefits. But you can't just drink water (low fat, low sugar, low sodium) to survive!

 

[Foreigner]

I believe this UK doc was on ABC News Radio this morning. He points to sugar in diets as leading cause of deaths"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...SUGAR-claims-ll-outlive-today-s-children.html

 

[ozjuice]

Animal fats generally make meat taste better, but unfortunately they are not good for you, so consume in moderation. Generally speaking, the leaner meat is, the better it is for you, but it is usually bland and tasteless. I usually look at nutrition labels when I buy food. I concentrate on fat sugars and sodium. No-one has yet developed a food that is low in each of these, although vegetable fats do have many benefits. But you can't just drink water (low fat, low sugar, low sodium) to survive!

I actually think you'll find with some simple research that you have this very much the wrong way around. Many vegetable fats are actually very bad and most natural fats (Ie Grass fed, organic etc) are essential to good health in every way. It's what we evolved eating and we have been mislead for so long about what we should eat purely based on economics or politics.

 

[Cynicor]

I actually think you'll find with some simple research that you have this very much the wrong way around. Many vegetable fats are actually very bad and most natural fats (Ie Grass fed, organic etc) are essential to good health in every way. It's what we evolved eating and we have been mislead for so long about what we should eat purely based on economics or politics.

That's bs, pure and simple. Animal fats are mostly saturated and the "simple research" is Google-fu for half truths and misinformation. Research isn't simple, that's why people like me study for years and take time to get it right.

Just because we "evolved" to do something (if you even assume we did) doesn't make it the best for our long term health. All it does is keep us alive long enough to reproduce successfully because evolution is about passing on genes, nothing more.

Animal fats likely made up part of our diet but we were, are and always have been omnivores.

 

[medhead]

The Internet isn't helping me due to various opinions, so I might as well ask here too.

If you have a poor cut of steak (say rump with lots of sinew and gristle features) but can't slow cook it and have to pan fry it.... Will it be better rare, or medium rare? Internet seems to have a lot of conflicting opinions, gristle and sinew can render down if the steak is cooked well, but conversely, I've always thought that rare keeps poor steak tender.

Thoughts?

Not sure about the rare thing. Plenty of people claim that rare is more tender. But my opinion is you turn it once only is the key to a tender steak. If it's going to be more cooked add some liquid (worchester, soy that kinda thing) to the first side when you flip it, to keep it hydrated. Quick flip to dry it then remove and rest. Cooking ain't going to make sinew and gristle nice.

Or do a stir fly...

 

[ozjuice]

That's bs, pure and simple. Animal fats are mostly saturated and the "simple research" is Google-fu for half truths and misinformation. Research isn't simple, that's why people like me study for years and take time to get it right.

Just because we "evolved" to do something (if you even assume we did) doesn't make it the best for our long term health. All it does is keep us alive long enough to reproduce successfully because evolution is about passing on genes, nothing more.

Animal fats likely made up part of our diet but we were, are and always have been omnivores.

Well saying it's Bull**** is rather Bull****. Do you actually even know what saturated fat is? If so why do you think it's bad? Becuase you grew up being told it was? I guess you eat margarine huh? Canola oil?

 

[serfty]

The Internet isn't helping me due to various opinions, so I might as well ask here too.

If you have a poor cut of steak (say rump with lots of sinew and gristle features) but can't slow cook it and have to pan fry it.... Will it be better rare, or medium rare? Internet seems to have a lot of conflicting opinions, gristle and sinew can render down if the steak is cooked well, but conversely, I've always thought that rare keeps poor steak tender.

Thoughts?

The sinew/gristle tends to contract and warp the steak when frying.

What I would do is investigate cutting the larger strings out, making medallions of the remaining muscle tissue - perhaps even dice and have a stir fry.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Well saying it's Bull**** is rather Bull****. Do you actually even know what saturated fat is? If so why do you think it's bad? Becuase you grew up being told it was? I guess you eat margarine huh? Canola oil?

I'm pretty sure the medical degree, postgraduate qualifications, continuing professional development and years of practice treating patients helps Cynicor to form his opinion on this more so than what he was told growing up.

 

[blackcat20]

But how can you drink the diet stuff? It tastes feral to me.
I'll be not virtuous and stick with the sweet stuff. We've moved to Cascade tonic water and it has a lovely flavour.

See I found the Cascade tonic water rather unpleasant, and found it actually masked the flavour of the gin...

We try to feel hungry for at least part of the day.

Something I really like about the 5:2 diet; you learn what it feel like to be hungry (not thirsty or bored), and you learn that its ok to be hungry (ie I wont die if I dont eat that piece of whatever right this moment). I'm quite a snacker but I can get through to lunch time with nothing but a cuppa now...

 

[Bundy Bear]

I thought undercooked steak was better for you as your body or digestive system had to work harder to break it down, over cooked that part for your body is already done. "not medical science so I don't know if true or not" if its doesn't smell or look good then I wouldn't cook it and throw it out.

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Congrats on the change of Qantas status Platinum One Princess Fiona.

 

[medhead]

I'm pretty sure the medical degree, postgraduate qualifications, continuing professional development and years of practice treating patients helps Cynicor to form his opinion on this more so than what he was told growing up.

I thought about pointing out Cynicor's years of study. But then I thought that "research" might be like chemtrail research, which is really just watching you tube videos put up by conspiracy theorists.

 

[Pushka]

Ooopsie. Those dratted medical degrees will create a snaffu every time.

Steak - I have no idea why but sometimes the same cut can be deliciously tender, then other times just full of gristle and junk.

What is it with animal farming that creates the difference? Age of stock? Farming practice? Feed?

Why are Costco lamb chops the best chops I've ever eaten? <running away now before I say they cost an extra $60 per trip>

 

[Pushka]

See I found the Cascade tonic water rather unpleasant, and found it actually masked the flavour of the gin...



Something I really like about the 5:2 diet; you learn what it feel like to be hungry (not thirsty or bored), and you learn that its ok to be hungry (ie I wont die if I dont eat that piece of whatever right this moment). I'm quite a snacker but I can get through to lunch time with nothing but a cuppa now...

Yes - and sometimes hunger is actually thirst - have a drink of water and see if that helps.

I've come to actually dislike the feeling of being 'full' - unless its the mellowness of alcohol.

 

[blackcat20]

I've come to actually dislike the feeling of being 'full' - unless its the mellowness of alcohol.

Me too! I get full really quickly now and its not pleasant.

 

[Pushka]

But you started it!

Ah, mon cheri, I would hate you to think rum of me if I didn't. In fact scotch the thought ma dear, I wouldn't dream of it. You would be after me like a shot, and I think you have my measure. Anyway, I will stop stirring now.

Shaken, not stirred methinks!

Would be very happy if Hugh Jackman was the new James Bond. Mr Craig - mmm, not my style.

 

[whitty]

Over the bite? It does happen, other aps will estimate positions where as I find FR24 won't show a plane that it can't track.

Yeah that was it. Once the other 2 disappeared I figured it must have been normal.

 

[coco50]

I actually think you'll find with some simple research that you have this very much the wrong way around. Many vegetable fats are actually very bad and most natural fats (Ie Grass fed, organic etc) are essential to good health in every way. It's what we evolved eating and we have been mislead for so long about what we should eat purely based on economics or politics.

Depends on which research fad is in vogue. I can remember when two glasses of wine a day were good for providing antioxidants. Now it seems that that is no good. Then there is the research that red meat causes cancer. I do not trust American research because it is dollar and market driven and their research methods are dodgy at best. I was just going on what my dietitian told me last Thursday.