The totally off-topic thread

[Pushka]

For a laugh add into google, twitter #closingceremony GC2018 and laugh or cry, very disappointing, it’s like a school performance.

Apparently audience left well before it finished. They didn’t show the athletes nor even the flag bearers. B grade at best.

 

[RooFlyer]

Apparently audience left well before it finished. They didn’t show the athletes nor even the flag bearers. B grade at best.

I read that the athletes went in before the broadcast began, per organisers arrangements, and that channel 7 commentators have a good spray about that!

 

[Pushka]

I read that the athletes went in before the broadcast began, per organisers arrangements, and that channel 7 commentators have a good spray about that!

Beatty apologised for that. Gave the trite excuse it was done for consideration of athletes welfare. What bollocks. It was done so they could have more (awful) speeches. The athletes left to party. Would have been safer for them to march.

 

[serfty]

Seems the company with the broadcast rights (not Ch7) deigned not to provide any real coverage of the athletes.

Closing Ceremony live: All the colour and news from the final night of the Commonwealth Games - Google Search

 

[JohnK]

No of course not. Do you drink it at all?

Don't drink coffee.

 

[Cossie]

Well it would seem that all the holidays teachers supposedly get isn't enough anymore.

Seven reasons people no longer want to be teachers

7. Teachers' salaries are poor

The final nail in the coffin: poor salaries. A graduate dentist from a five-year course earns A$130,000. The majority of secondary teachers have also completed a five-year program, but the starting salary is $65,486, reaching $71,000 after five to 10 years.

 

[tgh]

7. Teachers' salaries are poor


There are teachers and teachers, it's quite possible to contribute a minima and survive well enough.
I opine that the system encourages this behaviour.

Others work their butts off ,live for the success of their charges, AND the sufficient reward is their success.

 

[love_the_life]

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Others work their butts off ,live for the success of their charges, AND the sufficient reward is their success.

So teachers should be like nuns used to be, called to a vocation and content with heavenly rewards? Sorry, doesn’t buy a house or support a family if a single income. And totally unfair to expect them to do.

 

[tgh]

ltl.. you are reading something into my post that is not there…..

 

[Pushka]

Well it would seem that all the holidays teachers supposedly get isn't enough anymore.

Seven reasons people no longer want to be teachers

7. Teachers' salaries are poor

The final nail in the coffin: poor salaries. A graduate dentist from a five-year course earns A$130,000. The majority of secondary teachers have also completed a five-year program, but the starting salary is $65,486, reaching $71,000 after five to 10 years.

My DIL is a graduate GP and she gets nowhere near that amount.

 

[love_the_life]

ltl.. you are reading something into my post that is not there…..

Sorry if I have misinterpreted this but my reading of your post was that the ‘sufficient reward was their success’ refers the success of the students they helped. And therefore they should be happy with that.

 

[CaptJCool]

For a laugh add into google, twitter #closingceremony GC2018 and laugh or cry, very disappointing, it’s like a school performance.

Beatty apologised for that. Gave the trite excuse it was done for consideration of athletes welfare. What bollocks. It was done so they could have more (awful) speeches. The athletes left to party. Would have been safer for them to march.

It was an arty farty Politically correct Australian Idol winners talent show.
If you are going to have world-class performers at least have them sing the songs for which they're famous.

I'm tired of all this namby pamby ego-driven BS. Sure people need a hand-up but this has seriously offended all decent Aussies from all walks of life who Know it's all about the athletes not the artists.

Wouldn't put it past the Fed Govt to drag this out at election time to remind voters what they're in for if Labor get elected.

 

[CaptJCool]

Sorry if I have misinterpreted this but my reading of your post was that the ‘sufficient reward was their success’ refers the success of the students they helped. And therefore they should be happy with that.

We used to do lots of things for free, but when you monetise them, you get this kinda of problem. (Look at the ho-ha around monetising the CFA / CFS and the anger from the unpaid volunteers getting slapped enormous our emergency services Levy despite giving of their time for free)

Wouldn't be a teacher for all the money in China (well perhaps $250,000 per annum) what with the principals whims and the peers jockeying for senior roles and the students behaving badly (breaking windows, throwing punches, foul language, disinterest, puberty, seeking marks for favours) and parents (just as bad) why bother?

Back when my parents were teachers, we had a strong workforce because they were on stipend cadetships so paid to go to Uni so the smart poor students prospered and became wonderful teachers. But this group no longer exists. Worse still is HECs where you pay to learn

It's common knowledge public service salaries (including teachers, police, emergency services, transport services in some states) have flatlined. There's no share scheme to offer alternate opportunities to wealth. Wages survey: most major employers want to freeze pay or offer cut in real terms

This is a serious problem for a country like ours where the stock market profits aren't being shared with the workforce because those who hold the purse strings decide who is eligible so only the executives get rich.

Of course, the absence of a stock price can be catered for in boosted wages but this hasn't happened either. Too often, this results in laziness for which there is no real consequences within the ranks where a few do the work and the rest don't

Because those execs are receiving a pile of cash unrelated to work effort so I will "self-determine" for myself how many hours I'll actually work within the time I'm "at work"

PS. teachers have salary smoothing so they get paid over the school holidays. And again, some put in discretionary effort, particularly if courses need updating but I certainly don't recall my parents doing any actual classroom. prep or marking in the hollies, given the topics they taught were pretty static across centuries....

 

[cove]

AMP not doing too well at the Royal Commission. We are in California watching the live stream now.

 

[tgh]

Sorry if I have misinterpreted this but my reading of your post was that the ‘sufficient reward was their success’ refers the success of the students they helped. And therefore they should be happy with that.

One of my children teaches.
The vocation was selected for the intangible , rather than monetary, rewards.
He has , ( working in the private system ) levered himself out of the mob to a mixed admin/teaching role and now earns a fair salary.
Of course they should be paid more…but IMO it should always be on a results/commitment basis.

 

[Hvr]

Of course they should be paid more…but IMO it should always be on a results/commitment basis.

Lets define results. Is it attaining a certain standard of literacy/numeracy etc? Or other metrics?

Is keeping a child alive a result? Discovering/reporting sexual abuse and getting a child to a safe place a result? Getting a child to attend school and feeding them a result? Not responding to verbal and physical abuse from children and parents and so on.

All way too common for teachers, especially in the public system. Unlike the private system who get to return students to the public system because they can't cope despite getting lots more money and resources.

Define commitment?

Frankly what teachers do is more than reading and writing. Every new idea is meant to be taught in schools absolving parents from any responsibility. Teaching is a multi faceted role that is paid the least we can possibly justify because everybody thinks they can do it and after all they get so many holidays and only work from 000-1530.

I wouldn't do it for twice the money.

 

[VPS]

Well it would seem that all the holidays teachers supposedly get isn't enough anymore.

Seven reasons people no longer want to be teachers

7. Teachers' salaries are poor

The final nail in the coffin: poor salaries. A graduate dentist from a five-year course earns A$130,000. The majority of secondary teachers have also completed a five-year program, but the starting salary is $65,486, reaching $71,000 after five to 10 years.

Not to be confrontational but are you sure dentists get that much. I understood it was much less and hard to get into. If you want to look at graduates that start on cr@p salaries look at graduate veterinarians

 

[Pushka]

Not to be confrontational but are you sure dentists get that much. I understood it was much less and hard to get into. If you want to look at graduates that start on cr@p salaries look at graduate veterinarians

Yes, I was surprised too given the remuneration my GP DIL gets. Nowhere near that. And that includes weekend rosters.

 

[Quickstatus]

Beatty apologised for that.

Beattie as form. When he was Premier he used to always apologise asap to take the heat off.

 

[Pushka]

Beattie as form. When he was Premier he used to always apologise asap to take the heat off.

So I gathered from the media comments. Why appoint a politician of any ilk to run something. They think they know it all.