The totally off-topic thread

[medhead]

The words "doing the job properly" could be perceived as an implicit approval of the practice. Note that I said perceived - it may not (and obviously does not from your later post) mean that you actually think this sort of thing is a good idea.

And it is that presumption of implicit approval that I could be offended about (not that I am offended). I think that taking the statement at face value it can be seen as a statement that corrupt police who are in the habit of illegally bashed a suspect would do it in such a way as to leave no evidence of their illegal behaviour (i.e. properly). There is no need to seek hidden meanings, I'm a fairly simple person I call a spade a spade. For example, A prison officer once told me what happened to a couple of child rapists and murderers, I fully approve of that violence.

However, I do understand that what you say about perceived implicit meanings.

 

[QF WP]

I never said it was right. I'm just made a comment about what has and does still happen in this world. Police have been found to be corrupt and violent. A comment alluding to that corruption is not a statement of support. That's what the was about. Perhaps I should have put in a as well just so you could understand.

medhead, I think some people read into our comments different meanings than those we had espoused. My comment was merely pointing out that there are those in society who don't take kindly to being arrested and generally, police need to subdue them, sometimes with force (and the question as to what is excessive given the circumstances). This generally leaves bruises/stratches/abrasions. If they went willingly, then there would be no issue.

Having a number of friends in the force, I have heard some interesting stories over my time. It was a pity our comments were misconstrued, but that will happen from time to time. For those that took the wrong meaning, I apologise for not explaining myself in detail.

You might have grown up in the perfect world, but I grew up in Joh's qld.

I'm with you, medhead. But most State police forces have had corruption of some level over the years, some moreso than others. Then again, there is corruption in many industries, not just policing.

 

[anat0l]

Last Chance to sign up to Star Mega Do 2

Probably not the best place to announce it, but if you're interested in joining Star Alliance Mega Do 2, you need to sign up ASAP:

https://www2.starmegado.com/signup/

The last few seats of the Do are disappearing fast.

The FT thread with info is located here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/comm...gado-2010-smd2-nov-1-6-2010-masterthread.html

 

[docjames]

Unamusing scenes at bne after cancellation of qf513. Onboard, ready to go, rudder control software failure. Second time failed on this a/c in a week so pilot declared a/c unserviceable.

Not handled overly well by ground staff I will add, giving conflicting info and insufficient staff to process onward flights. I'll be writing to qantas about it.

And memo to the guy in the green shirt, abusing the flight attendant doesn't get you to your destination sooner. Hopefully he's been rebooked on tiger.....

 

[anat0l]

Not handled overly well by ground staff I will add, giving conflicting info and insufficient staff to process onward flights. I'll be writing to qantas about it.

BNE...sounds about right. Except for those that have QP access et al perhaps they could ask the staff there to help them out (even then, that's a stretch).

What kind of aircraft was it? And what kind of conflicting info was provided? If it was the reason for the aircraft failure, surely they were only told one reason.

And memo to the guy in the green shirt, abusing the flight attendant doesn't get you to your destination sooner. Hopefully he's been rebooked on tiger.....

Rebooked on the enemy? Unheard of!

"Sticks and stones may break bones but calling names isn't illegal." I believe most people who resort to verbal abuse take advantage of this fact. You need to have quite a bit of emotional fortitude to put up with some people.

I remember when I was flying my CX Status Run, that one flight where the undercarriage wouldn't close and we had to go back to HKG, there was a handful of irate customers in J who got up (with the seat belt sign still on no less!) and unleashed a tirade at the FAs when they were told we had to waste some fuel for an hour and land back in HKG rather than keep going onto SIN.

 

[JohnK]

Unamusing scenes at bne after cancellation of qf513. Onboard, ready to go, rudder control software failure. Second time failed on this a/c in a week so pilot declared a/c unserviceable.

With my luck and an aircraft going unserviceable it is now a likely possibility that since I am on the last flight of the night I may not get home tonight.

 

[markis10]

With my luck and an aircraft going unserviceable it is now a likely possibility that since I am on the last flight of the night I may not get home tonight.

Strange reasoning, QF normally have a few spares lying around.

 

[JohnK]

Strange reasoning, QF normally have a few spares lying around.

If you knew my luck you would not call it strange it reasoning.

 

[Bundy Bear]

With my luck and an aircraft going unserviceable it is now a likely possibility that since I am on the last flight of the night I may not get home tonight.

Have you checked in for your flight tonight; if you can't check in then there may be a good problem, you get to change to an earlier flight.

Being platinum then I am sure Qantas will look to get you home first.

I have found that Qantas won't necessary cancel the last flight but they may cancel the previous flight and rebook everyone onto the later flight.

Also check to see the prices for flights; if everything goes 0 then you know they are full.

Also canceling 1 flight then has a flow on effect for the rest of the day; but it could effect flights on Sydney-Melbourne and not just Brisbane-Sydney.

 

[serfty]

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What kind of aircraft was it? And what kind of conflicting info was provided? If it was the reason for the aircraft failure, surely they were only told one reason. ...

It was an EX BA 763, now scheduled to operate 533 ...

 

[anat0l]

Being platinum then I am sure Qantas will look to get you home first.

He's going at a time where a good majority of pax are WPs. Not to say he's got bucky's chance but don't be so cooly confident either.

I have found that Qantas won't necessary cancel the last flight but they may cancel the previous flight and rebook everyone onto the later flight.

As serfty has often said, the capacity management of flights within a certain block is often very fluid, i.e. rather than seeing an number of aircraft with discrete numbers of seats, they see a ton of seats within a few hours. This explains why the dubious practice of "cancel a flight and fill another" is sometimes carried out.

In a case where delays/cancellations are pushing out things, it becomes a little harder for such actions to get played out. Moreover, again, this is the peak times we're talking about.

Also canceling 1 flight then has a flow on effect for the rest of the day; but it could effect flights on Sydney-Melbourne and not just Brisbane-Sydney.

Let's hope not too much of a flow on effect. Remember SYD has the stupid curfew, so if it's a bit too late then some people will be "stranded" in their origin ports until the next morning.

 

[anat0l]

It was an EX BA 763, now scheduled to operate 533 ...

Wow... big surprise.

Back online again? What the hell - aren't QF reasoning properly?

FWIW ZXA was recently sent to a hanger for some examination. I wonder if it was the same aircraft.

 

[docjames]

Strange reasoning, QF normally have a few spares lying around.

Not in Brisbane apparently.

With my luck and an aircraft going unserviceable it is now a likely possibility that since I am on the last flight of the night I may not get home tonight.

I'd advise you to check in online, and make sure you aren't late to get your bag checked.

what kind of aircraft was it? And what kind of conflicting info was provided?Rebooked on the enemy?

Actually it appears high ranking pax have been moved onto virgin (gold and above), the rest of us plebe just waiting it out.

For the record, a 763, vh-zxd, and reason given was along the lines of acomputer error in the part that controls rudder feel. Was fixed but records showed same failure a week ago, so pilot declared aircraft u/s for safety (which is fine by me).

The issue is they let everyone straight off the aircraft, told everyone to go to qp or service desk, where the service desk promptly told everyone to go back to gate, where there were no ground staff to help. Once they had staff, they did onward bookings, but then took an age to get organized and work out what to do with bags. By then, those with hand luggage only (ie. Me) could have been on the imminently departing next flight. But I couldn't get my way to the desk to ask for this.

At last report, there's about 50 still in the qp so my odds of getting on anything earlier than the 315 is looking very very slim.


I might add, I have absolutely no issue with them canceling the flight if there's any safety issue, it's more how badly the aftermath was/is being handled.

Looks like a night in Sydney having seen none of the first day of the conference. I may as well have gone to work and flown down tonight!


Posted frustratingly from my iPhone (they won't even give us free Internet access).

 

[JohnK]

Also canceling 1 flight then has a flow on effect for the rest of the day; but it could effect flights on Sydney-Melbourne and not just Brisbane-Sydney.

Don't you worry. If there is a way for a BNE-SYD or SYD-BNE flight to be delayed and I am on that flight then it will be delayed. There is a reason why my On-time performance on domestic flights is <40%.

Met Mal at BNE airport last Friday and we were laughing how most flights were delayed and my flight was supposed to be on time and then ended up leaving ~30 minutes late and arrived ~30 minutes late in SYD.

Then circled the Gold Coast for ~21 minutes on Monday night and arrived 25+ minutes late in BNE even after they boarded everyone early in SYD.

It was an EX BA 763, now scheduled to operate 533 ...

Hmmm. I am supposed to be on a 763-336 on QF557.

I think I may end up going to the airport a little bit earlier just in case.

 

[JohnK]

I'd advise you to check in online, and make sure you aren't late to get your bag checked.

I have checked in online but I think I will get to the airport early.

I need to leave tonight as I have to play golf tomorrow morning at 8:27am as it is the quarter final of the match play.

At last report, there's about 50 still in the qp so my odds of getting on anything earlier than the 315 is looking very very slim.

Hope things work out OK for you.

 

[serfty]

... FWIW ZXA was recently sent to a hanger for some examination. I wonder if it was the same aircraft.

No ... delta

 

[anat0l]

Actually it appears high ranking pax have been moved onto virgin (gold and above), the rest of us plebe just waiting it out.

One good turn deserves another. Bundy Bear will know what this is about.

Posted frustratingly from my iPhone (they won't even give us free Internet access).

Well, if you had an iPhone I assume you're on a reliable data plan anyway and still well under the limit/cap.

I thought that if you camp close enough to the entrance to the QP you might just get free wifi that way. Ditto strategy for The Lounge on the DJ side of the airport.

 

[docjames]

It's about to be pushed away from the gate that 533 is departing so it won't be doing that.

There's an inbound from syd that has also been cancelled, no prizes for guessing which a/c was likely operating that one.

Confirming again (I'm looking at it). Vh zxd. (not zxa)

 

[docjames]

Got seat on qf 529, phew. Now to hope this flight goes better.

 

[Bundy Bear]

Got seat on qf 529, phew. Now to hope this flight goes better.

Glad that you got on QF529,

This is where Qantas Club can be very handy; although there is still 20 or 30 people to help it saves it being 200 people to be dealt with by 2 people.

I am surprised and I am sure it is coming, that if a flight cancels why can't the booking engine just relocate everyone onto a new flight and you go to a check in machine with the same booking reference and it prints off a new boarding pass with your new flight number.

Why are people required for check in and rebooking.