US election 2020

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But he did say - ‘He’s not a war hero’ - just sayin .........

And what did he say a second after that? "He was a war hero .." :p

I should leave it there, as we seem to all selectively quoting to support an argument, but because I'm such a non partisan sort of guy :rolleyes:, he went on to say "He's a war hero because he was captured ..." and more from there ...
 
I know its still early but the Polls are not tightening much a week after the Conventions. Trump got an initial bounce (but only a small one) and now its staying at about +7% for Biden with Biden keeping a similar lead in many of the key States.

fivethirtyeight.com President National.

You can find the polling by State at the same link. The debates will be crucial.
 
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I know its still early but the Polls are not tightening much a week after the Conventions. Trump got an initial bounce (but only a small one) and now its staying at about +7% for Biden with Biden keeping a similar lead in many of the key States.

fivethirtyeight.com President National.

You can find the polling by State at the same link. The debates will be crucial.
Just listened to a podcast at the site. It’s really the numbers in the critical states that count - Biden could win the popular vote by 3 or 4% and still not get the college votes. Quite fascinating following this.
 
I know its still early but the Polls are not tightening much a week after the Conventions. Trump got an initial bounce (but only a small one) and now its staying at about +7% for Biden with Biden keeping a similar lead in many of the key States.

fivethirtyeight.com President National.

You can find the polling by State at the same link. The debates will be crucial.
Just listened to a podcast at the site. It’s really the numbers in the critical states that count - Biden could win the popular vote by 3 or 4% and still not get the college votes. Quite fascinating following this.
If you look at the key/battleground states, most are within the margin of error.....so still plenty of time to win/lose the election.

just like 2016.
 
The hesaid shesaid wars are on again

Even Fox staff are arguing with each other as are members of Trumps own party.

Trump really getting the sh... with Fox.

The FoxTrump marriage is over I think, bar a couple of the tinhat brigade.

 
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I look forward to the upcoming general elections in China.

Oh, sorry, these do not appear to be on the radar...

Which is the sicker society?
 
I look forward to the upcoming general elections in China.

Oh, sorry, these do not appear to be on the radar...

Which is the sicker society?

An interesting debate, the relativity between a nation where voting is irrelevant and they don't pretend to be democratic and one which alleges to be "democratic" but the most popular candidate (by a count of the number of the general public votes) doesn't get elected. Many more than one nation fits each of those categories.
 
and one which alleges to be "democratic" but the most popular candidate (by a count of the number of the general public votes) doesn't get elected.

Are you talking about Australia now? 🤣


Personally I think that the most popular candidate did not get elected is the least of the problems of the US system. It's the manipulation by powerful forces, the way voting places are managed, and the massive amount of (strings attached) private funding that goes into election campaigns, which are alll much bigger betrayal of democracy, than someone who only gets 49% of the "popular" vote taking office (noting that the need to win swing states has been a critical part of US elections for years, and it seems the Clinton campaign woefully overestimated their support in those swing states).
 
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I did allude to many more than one nation fits each of those categories ;) some more blatantly than others. Its a common observed behaviour of mine to make a statement that allows the respondent to work out their version of the meaning.

Maybe it's my first year of university scientific training about significant errors, but I can see that small margins of +/- 1-2% are probably OK. But if the winner only had just 40-45% of the popular vote, then it's definitely screwed up version, I guess except that's entirely likely in first past the post systems.
 
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