EK521 - B777 Crash landing in DXB

[travelislife]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Laptops can be replaced - yes - but not my laptop, as they don't make them any more.

I refuse to use the cloud for anything - and have seen clouds delete or corrupt data too many times to be far from convinced they are safe today.

I have also had back up HDD fail, where as never on my laptop/PC.

And the use of that laptop to you if you are dead?

 

[Pushka]

Stress does all sorts of weird things to people. There might also be the thought that while it was serious they don't expect to die once on the ground.

 

[Sojourner]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Assume you are referring to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YxCyeaOVOU

To be honest I think those pax where the furtherst from the exit - they appeared to be about the last to evacuate from their section, so I suspect the time they had waiting for those in front made them reach for bags etc..
There was some 'clear' instructions from crew but that came later.

Even if they had time to get their bags they shouldn't. It has the potential to slow down the whole evacuation process. In this case the difference between life and death was literally measured in seconds, and the last thing you want as the plane is verging on exploding is people struggling with bags down the aisle, through the exit, down the slide etc.

 

[Denali]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

I'll be honest, if my handbag was right there next to me, I think I would grab it on the way out, sling it over my body and move but considering this situation, I think the instinct for survival would kick in first and GTFO and I would yell at my husband if he hesitated to stop to get his carry on (which to be honest, I don't think he would stop).

Things can be replaced.

 

[Sojourner]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

I'd be pushing and shoving, yelling and cussing at those idiots getting stuff from the overheads.

Even if I reckon there were cultural issues at play.

Or maybe not. This AFR article suggests similar reports of people getting stuff from overheads from a fire evacuation from a BA flight in Las Vegas. East-West, South-North... people are too attached to their phones, ipads etc and prioritising keeping the pokemon they've caught over getting out of a plane about to blow up.

 

[medhead]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Or maybe not. This AFR article suggests similar reports of people getting stuff from overheads from a fire evacuation from a BA flight in Las Vegas. East-West, South-North... people are too attached to their phones, ipads etc and prioritising keeping the pokemon they've caught over getting out of a plane about to blow up.

I've been in a couple of sticky situations and I would yell and cuss at those people. This I know.

BTW pokemon caught are all stored in the cloud with the google account, not on the phone

 

[PineappleSkip]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

There's an interesting article here about emergency evacuations and carry on baggage.
British authorities warn about baggage in evacuations

There appears to be quite a lot of research on this annoying behaviour of SLF in emergency evacuations. The behaviour of the crew in dealing with it was exemplary in this case. Thank goodness for trained crew telling people what to do.

cheers skip

 

[ermen]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

i will pose an alternative view

has the retrieval of baggage ever resulted in the loss of one life in an emergency? don't think so.

human nature is human nature. you panic. you do what you always do, which is to grab your overhead luggage.

whilst in an ideal work people will just head straight for the exit... don't think you stop that. put differently, you would want people to move swiftly, but orderly and calmly to the emergency exit. but in an emergency, its probably all man for himself

 

[Sprucegoose]

Re: Emirates 777 fire at DXB

From the video footage I've seen it looked like an uncontrolled cabin. . The QF evacuation in Singapore was a controlled cabin by comparison.

I wouldn't want to draw any further conclusions from that

 

[jb747]

Re: Emirates 777 fire at DXB

Is there a minimum altitude at which the gear is retracted during a go around, or is it as soon as the crew believe they have positive climb?

Not really a minimum altitude, but positive climb...attitude correct, power correct, radar altimeter going up. There's plenty of cues.

You DO NOT retract the gear (or make any other configuration change) if you have a windshear warning.

The level of shear that existed was inconvenient, nothing more....I doubt that it could cause this, although it could precipitate a go around.


The wreckage is at the top left, next to the threshold markers.

 

[samh004]

Re: Emirates 777 fire at DXB

this is the thing... it may appear to you as being 'selfish', but I'm not actually sure it is an intentional act to slow the evacuation of the aircraft. They're not thinking properly, but that doesn't mean intentionally being selfish. I think there needs to be some more psychology around this to try and deal with the issue, rather than getting mad.

Totally agree. We've seen it again and again, and no amount of soapbox posturing is going to stop it. Darwin Awards come to mind. The reality is it will happen, and so far everyone's been lucky - it does have the potential to cost lives. Someone needs, especially now we are in the "Me Me Me" age, to identify reasons for the issue and ways to tackle it.

I'm glad to see some members here are more level-headed with their posts and not attacking people who were in a real life crash landing not 24 hours ago. I would agree, research should be undertaken, and perhaps education on what to keep on yourself, but accidents happen at the most inconvenient times! Spouting about how you'd shove someone in the back and use some choice words doesn't get to the bottom of the situation, and I think we all understand everyones will to live and not be selfish.

BTW pokemon caught are all stored in the cloud with the google account, not on the phone

Thank you for bringing some perspective to the situation

 

[suze2000]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

It all depends, if you have that backpack immediately to hand and are moving immediately - all good. If you have to open the overhead and root around to find the backpack (like in the video) - then I'm shoving you in the back, and yelling and cussing at you.

This. Very much this. Nobody's stopping to get a bag down between me and the exit when the plane is on fire, if I am strong enough to prevent it.

 

[Sojourner]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

i will pose an alternative view

has the retrieval of baggage ever resulted in the loss of one life in an emergency? don't think so.

human nature is human nature. you panic. you do what you always do, which is to grab your overhead luggage.

whilst in an ideal work people will just head straight for the exit... don't think you stop that. put differently, you would want people to move swiftly, but orderly and calmly to the emergency exit. but in an emergency, its probably all man for himself

"has the retrieval of baggage ever resulted in the loss of one life in an emergency? don't think so."

Actually, yes. "Passengers have died in previous accidents because they could not get of the aircraft fast enough because too many were not following very clear crew instructions to leave everything behind."

Seconds matter in an emergency and I can't believe you would be so flippant about it.

Retrieval of baggage causes delays, and while it may not be the single factor causing death (the crash itself is an obvious factor), it does contribute to it. There's been cases where people have not made it out of the plane in time because they were overcome by fumes etc and for many of them, seconds meant the difference between life and death.

It's not just the time people take to get their luggage but to cram themselves through that little exit with the rollerbags etc to get out.

On top of that, it has often been made clear by airlines that some objects can damage the inflatable emergency slides—yes they do ask the ladies to please take your heels off before sliding out and big rollerbags do pose a risk.

Once out, you're also not in the clear—the plane can explode. So the last thing you want is to hurt yourself sliding into a bunch of hard carry cases at the bottom of the exit, or have to avoid tripping over them when you need to quickly get as far away from a burning wreck as you can.

 

[suze2000]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

I wonder though whether once the pax is at the door with the bag, it's less dangerous to let them get off with it than try to force them to abandon it.

It would a) cost precious seconds and b) cause a pile up of bags by the very area they are so desperate to keep clear.

 

[moa999]

Agree pile up is a risk - but so is the risk of baggage wheels/straps tangling with/damaging the slide, or becoming a flying object hitting the passenger in front.

 

[tgh]

Isn't this a situation where the lockers need to be lockable in an emergency ?
Slides deployed , lockers latched, game over.
People will always act for their personal priorities and then claim ignorance later for causing a loss of life

 

[docjames]

Re: Emirates 777 fire at DXB

I'll start by saying i was sorry to hear a firefighter lost his life - but I'm also glad ~300 were safe and alive. One life lost (either aboard or attending) is one too many.

And that we wont know too much more until a full investigation is released. Hopefully nothing is left out of any published outcomes.

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//black humour//

Looking at the photo, I'm not sure even the Emirates Engineering Centre (see background) can buff that out......

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Isn't this a situation where the lockers need to be lockable in an emergency ?

I would rather the crew focus on the evacuation than mucking around trying to find the switch to 'lock' the lockers. And the electrical power may fail anyway.

 

[Quickstatus]

I would rather the crew focus on the evacuation than mucking around trying to find the switch to 'lock' the lockers. And the electrical power may fail anyway.

Switch for locked overheads can be the same that which activates seat belt on sign. However introducing a new system can cause issues with overhead lockers not unlocking after normal operations

May stop people standing up after landing but before seatbelt sign off trying to get stuff out of overheads
CSM arrival announcement: "...overhead compartments are unlocked when aircraft has come to a complete stop and seat belt sign is turned off... "

 

[clazman]

In this instance going down the slide with a backpack would have been okay, but add the height from a under carriage with a increased slide angle a backpack would add to the difficulty of using the slide