Oneworld emerald on Jetstar

[Masonic Phantom]

I will deal with them after I have finished with TG !

Ata Boy...go for it!!!

 

[amaroo]

Thats what I thought . Sites like this and many others are here as a aid to get the most out of your dollar when travelling. It shouldn't make a difference if I paid $9 or $90 I was lead to believe JQ was a oneworld partner or marketed as such until I read further into it and asked. If they do allow me into the lounge I will be getting my $9 worth that's for sure.

Can't see why others are upset about this.....

 

[Austman]

An intelligent person would look at that and see it's on the Qantas page and also put 2+2 together that the 2 images are links to QF partners of which OW is one and JQ is one. If they had a Hertz logo there too, would you be expecting extra benefits with Hertz?

*rolleyes* Thread over.

If there was a Hertz logo on the front page of airline group's main website, right next to the airline group's subsidiary, (and was repeated that way on every page of the website), then yes I would. It would imply Hertz is so strongly associated with the airline group (after all it's on every web page) that you could expect some benefit from the association with the group.

I know what I can expect from the JQ/QF/OW association. I fly them all often enough. But I do think the marketing (here meaning advertising/presentation) of the association by Qantas is a bit deceptive.

 

[Austman]

Just to add. Perhaps Air new Zealand has done this better. They sell Y class with various options to compete with LCCs (eg seat only). But regardless of which seat you purchase, your Star Alliance status counts and you get the Star Alliance benefits - like lounge access.

With the Qantas/Jetstar/oneworld association you need to check the detail.

 

[medhead]

If there was a Hertz logo on the front page of airline group's main website, right next to the airline group's subsidiary, (and was repeated that way on every page of the website), then yes I would. It would imply Hertz is so strongly associated with the airline group (after all it's on every web page) that you could expect some benefit from the association with the group.

I know what I can expect from the JQ/QF/OW association. I fly them all often enough. But I do think the marketing (here meaning advertising/presentation) of the association by Qantas is a bit deceptive.

Sorry, but I'll repeat. The associations shown are those belonging to Qantas, the owner of the website. The fact that Qantas is associated with multiple 3rd parties does not mean that those 3rd parties are associated to each other. It is a logical fallacy to think otherwise.

Also marketing as in advertising has very little to do with "a Qantas marketed flight" - the second one is about selling not advertising.

 

[mannej]

Sorry, but I still think the lounge access details are still clear - no access for non-QF OWE.

I still fail to understand where he was lead to believe that JQ is one-world marketed.

First it was the QF site, then it was Ausbt, then it was on here. Sorry but still skeptical.

 

[Austman]

Sorry, but I'll repeat. The associations shown are those belonging to Qantas, the owner of the website. The fact that Qantas is associated with multiple 3rd parties does not mean that those 3rd parties are associated to each other. It is a logical fallacy to think otherwise.

Also marketing as in advertising how very little to do with "a Qantas marketed flight" - the second one is about selling not advertising.

It's the placement. Right next to each other on all the web pages. That's association!

And I know the "a Qantas or OW marketed" flight meaning too. But when the OP was saying "JQ is marketed as a oneworld parnter (sic)" I think he was meaning as in advertising or promotion.

 

[medhead]

It's the placement. Right next to each other on all the web pages. That's association!

And I know the "a Qantas or OW marketed" flight meaning too. But when the OP was saying "JQ is marketed as a oneworld parnter (sic)" I think he was meaning as in advertising or promotion.

Sorry, no. The only implied association is with Qantas. You could have a thousand logos of Qantas partners lined up and it still does not mean those Qantas partners are also partners with each other. Those logos are telling you the Qantas' partners. Not the other way around. If you want to find out about the Oneworld partners you go to the one world website, if you want to find out about the Jetstar partners you go to the jetstar website. Neither of those other websites will include the other.

Think of sets (as in set theory). There is one set that is the Oneworld airlines, that includes qantas. There is another set that is the Qantas group airlines. Qantas is the conjunction of those sets, but Oneworld and Jetstar are not partners.

 

[oz_mark]

Those logos are telling you the Qantas' partners. Not the other way around. If you want to find out about the Oneworld partners you go to the one world website, if you want to find out about the Jetstar partners you go to the jetstar website.

...and you can do that by clicking on the logos, which are actually links to the partner website.

A number of websites have logos of their partners on their webpages, but as you say, this does not mean that they are partners of each other, as much as people may wish it to be so.

 

[amaroo]

Another example why everyone in the World should be clear where J* stands with OW Jetstar reaches across the globe with oneworld

Amongst others, this paragraph stands out:-

Members of any oneworld airline frequent flyer programme can earn mileage rewards on eligible flights using these fares – including on sectors using Jetstar (see notes) - and enjoy all the privileges to which their membership status entitles them.

 

[medhead]

Another example why everyone in the World should be clear where J* stands with OW Jetstar reaches across the globe with oneworld

Amongst others, this paragraph stands out:-

Members of any oneworld airline frequent flyer programme can earn mileage rewards on eligible flights using these fares – including on sectors using Jetstar (see notes) - and enjoy all the privileges to which their membership status entitles them.

Well it is pretty clear upfront that it is limited to certain products, is kind of true. Shame it doesn't mention the Qf code requirement or the interline requirement as per the notes. Really the headline should be "Oneworld reaches across the globe with jetstar."

 

[straitman]

Sorry, but I still think the lounge access details are still clear - no access for non-QF OWE.

I still fail to understand where he was lead to believe that JQ is one-world marketed.

First it was the QF site, then it was Ausbt, then it was on here. Sorry but still skeptical.

The OP has been asked numerous times to explain his logic and has consistently failed to do so.

From where I'm sitting it leads to the conclusion that:

1. He has not really thought it all through,
2. Has made a mistake and is not willing to admit to the mistake or
3. Is simply leading everyone on.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The OP has been asked numerous times to explain his logic and has consistently failed to do so.

From where I'm sitting it leads to the conclusion that:

1. He has not really thought it all through,
2. Has made a mistake and is not willing to admit to the mistake or
3. Is simply leading everyone on.

You can understand a little that they have acquired all these status matches, which will be available for one year only, and never offered again (they keep records of these), so you would want to make the most of what you got.

status matches are valuable - particularly if you decide to change alliances and need lounge access/priority check-in before you can build it up in your own right. but if you use up all your options in one go in one year you're gonna want to make the most of it.

 

[Austman]

Sorry, but I still think the lounge access details are still clear - no access for non-QF OWE.

I still fail to understand where he was lead to believe that JQ is one-world marketed.

First it was the QF site, then it was Ausbt, then it was on here. Sorry but still skeptical.

Or here? http://www.oneworld.com/news-information/oneworldnews/details/?objectID=24347&print=1 And there are are the oneworld and Jetstar logos together again promoting oneworld marketed fare products. And oneworld even calls Jetstar an airline "partner" elsewhere on their website (but not a member or an affiliate).

Another example why everyone in the World should be clear where J* stands with OW Jetstar reaches across the globe with oneworld

Amongst others, this paragraph stands out:-

Members of any oneworld airline frequent flyer programme can earn mileage rewards on eligible flights using these fares – including on sectors using Jetstar (see notes) - and enjoy all the privileges to which their membership status entitles them.

I guess the question here is does "all the privileges to which their membership status entitles them" include the oneworld lounge access? oneworld benefits - oneworld

If so the "clear" Qantas lounge access details when flying Jetstar should read:"no access for non-QF OWE" unless you are flying Jetstar on a oneworld marketed fare product* that allows Qantas coded but Jetstar operated flights".

* oneworld Explorer round-the-world, oneworld Circle Pacific, Circle Asia and South West Pacific and Circle Trip Explorer.

The OP did not buy one of the above fares, so lounge access is not granted anyway.

But it is a bit of a mess of a situation.

 

[yohy?!]

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[ozbeachbabe]

* Bump *

Are we there yet? :mrgreen:

So what was the end result? :shock:

 

[pagingjoan]

And, again, "silence" was the reply?

 

[Shanye2233]

I prefer not to say but the result was what I was thinking

Ok il tell you In Sydney it was a quiet Sunday morning I showed my AA id he said not suppose to but let me in with two guests and then on the way back in Melbourne no problems all smiles again 2 guests and two children. I didn't want to say I don't want to ruin it for others

 

[Princess Fiona]

I prefer not to say but the result was what I was thinking

Ok il tell you In Sydney it was a quiet Sunday morning I showed my AA id he said not suppose to but let me in with two guests and then on the way back in Melbourne no problems all smiles again 2 guests and two children. I didn't want to say I don't want to ruin it for others

Shayne2233 I'm speechless

 

[ozbeachbabe]

I prefer not to say but the result was what I was thinking

Ok il tell you In Sydney it was a quiet Sunday morning I showed my AA id he said not suppose to but let me in with two guests and then on the way back in Melbourne no problems all smiles again 2 guests and two children. I didn't want to say I don't want to ruin it for others

Didn't you end up puchasing a QP membership anyway? If so how come you still showed your AA OWE card & not QP.