Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[ayushamity]

Not anymore. Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford vaccine are reportedly to commence vaccination before Christmas

AUstralia does not have agreements with Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines. So if they work, Australia will probably have to wait back of the queue till middle of 2021 to get access to those vaccines

 

[CityRail]

If you don’t want to get vaccinated, then while you might be allowed to leave, you won’t be permitted to travel in anything like normal fashion by Christmas 2021, let alone Easter.

I am not expecting to travel to high risk areas such as Europe in 2021, but only low risk areas such as Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan. Therefore I am hoping I can travel with testing, not vaccination.

I am not against vaccination, yet I am against injection, especially I don't want to go through the pain twice in 28 days for a virus which is just like the flu, as according to the US White House Chief of Staff:

Pressed by Tapper on why the US isn't going to get the pandemic under control, Meadows said: "Because it is a contagious virus just like the flu." He added that the Trump administration is "making efforts to contain it."

White House chief of staff: 'We are not going to control the pandemic'

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said Sunday that the US is "not going to control" the coronavirus pandemic, as cases surge across the country and nearly 225,000 Americans have died from the virus.

edition.cnn.com

 

[antycbr]

Not anymore. Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford vaccine are reportedly to commence vaccination before Christmas, as news leaked from the UK and US media. I think they should be relatively confidents that they works so that they will expect such vaccination programs will be in place.

Note the Oxford vaccine requires 2 jabs for those who wish to be vaccinated, with each 28 days apart. So to start the protective effect we might need to wait until Australia Day the latest for those at high risk.

We'll also have a problem in verifying the efficacy of the vaccines simply because we don't have enough cases to prove one way or the other.

Unfortunately (for them) the rest of the world will provide this data for us.

 

[CityRail]

AUstralia does not have agreements with Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines. So if they work, Australia will probably have to wait back of the queue till middle of 2021 to get access to those vaccines

That is because we don't have the technology to produce such vaccines by CSL, and according to Karen Andrews, we need 9 - 12 months to enable production for such vaccines here.

Yet I wonder why NZ was able to secure Pfizer vaccine whilst Australia cannot?

Pfizer and BioNTech enter Covid-19 vaccine deal with New Zealand

Pfizer and BioNTech entered into a deal with the New Zealand Government to supply 1.5 million doses of their potential Covid-19 vaccine.

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com

 

[ayushamity]

Yet I wonder why NZ was able to secure Pfizer vaccine whilst Australia cannot?

Because our government has not got brains. They should have signed a similar deal with Moderna and Pfizer where they get manufacture doses from overseas.

Although I am aware that Pfizer requires storage at -70 degrees so transport to Australia will be difficult

 

[levelnine]

I am not against vaccination, yet I am against injection, especially I don't want to go through the pain twice in 28 days for a virus which is just like the flu, as according to the US White House Chief of Staff:

In this thread you have been spruiking unrealistic hopes for the timeline of a vaccine so that you can hop back on a plane. And now you're saying you won't take a vaccine once it is available? Absolutely incredible LOL.

 

[ayushamity]

No one is travelling until they get vaccinated. Even to low risk countries. Vaccinations will be a mandatory requirement for international travel just like passports.

Passport ? Check
Visa ? Check
Vax Certificate ? Check

 

[dajop]

I am not against vaccination, yet I am against injection, especially I don't want to go through the pain twice in 28 days for a virus which is just like the flu, as according to the US White House Chief of Staff:

White House chief of staff: 'We are not going to control the pandemic'

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said Sunday that the US is "not going to control" the coronavirus pandemic, as cases surge across the country and nearly 225,000 Americans have died from the virus.

edition.cnn.com

Yes, good news, coming from one of the worlds' pre-eminent medical experts.

I would take anything coming from someone connected to either side of politics in the US, with a grain of salt between now and November 3rd. Unfortunately it's impossible to tell genuine truth from the spin.

 

[CityRail]

No one is travelling until they get vaccinated. Even to low risk countries. Vaccinations will be a mandatory requirement for international travel just like passports.

Passport ? Check
Visa ? Check
Vax Certificate ? Check

Well, let's see. At least I don't see vaccination is a requirement under travel bubbles.

I am not anti-vaxer, but I am anti-injection, I think we should have vaccines that is administrated through oral or nasal instead. And by mid-next year we might have 2nd generation of vaccines that can only require 1 jab.

As long as we have travel bubbles initially in place, I don't see there's a rush to get vaccinated until we have better vaccines available.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

As long as we have travel bubbles initially in place, I don't see there's a rush to get vaccinated until we have better vaccines available.

Depends on the rules for the travel bubbles... if you are in a 'bubble' that has an outbreak, you might suddenly find yourself subject to quarantine on arrival back in Australia. Is that worth a jab?

(Have you considered changing the administrator for your vaccines? They shouldn't be painful.)

 

[JessicaTam]

[mod hat]
Discussion on the examination of female passengers in Doha has been moved: Australian women on Qatar flight internally examined
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[drron]

Not anymore. Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford vaccine are reportedly to commence vaccination before Christmas, as news leaked from the UK and US media. I think they should be relatively confidents that they works so that they will expect such vaccination programs will be in place.

Note the Oxford vaccine requires 2 jabs for those who wish to be vaccinated, with each 28 days apart. So to start the protective effect we might need to wait until Australia Day the latest for those at high risk.

You should have a read of this article then.

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us

The world has bet the farm on vaccines as the solution to the pandemic, but the trials are not focused on answering the questions many might assume they are. Peter Doshi reports As phase III trials of covid-19 vaccines reach their target enrolments, officials have been trying to project calm...

www.bmj.com

I admire your optimism but your expectations are likely to end as disappointments.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You should have a read of this article then.

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us

The world has bet the farm on vaccines as the solution to the pandemic, but the trials are not focused on answering the questions many might assume they are. Peter Doshi reports As phase III trials of covid-19 vaccines reach their target enrolments, officials have been trying to project calm...

www.bmj.com

I admire your optimism but your expectations are likely to end as disappointments.

A google search on Peter Doshi reveals some worthwhile reading. A 2013 article states he is not a virologist or epidemiologist but an anthropologist who studies comparative effectiveness research: "Shocking" Report On Flu Vaccine Is Neither Shocking Nor Correct

I'm not sure of the point of his recent article?

 

[drron]

A google search on Peter Doshi reveals some worthwhile reading. A 2013 article states he is not a virologist or anthropologist but an anthropologist who studies comparative effectiveness research: "Shocking" Report On Flu Vaccine Is Neither Shocking Nor Correct

I'm not sure of the point of his recent article?

Not sure that you read the beginning of the article.He is an Associate editor of The British medical journal.Hardly a position for a dodgy writer.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Not sure that you read the beginning of the article.He is an Associate editor of The British medical journal.Hardly a position for a dodgy writer.

I didn't say dodgy. I'm sure with any respected institution there will be a range of views, and they will welcome scrutiny.

 

[ayushamity]

Early results in as COVID vaccine frontrunner tested on high risk groups

AstraZeneca, which is developing the vaccine with Oxford University researchers, is seen as a leading contender in the race to produce a vaccine.

7news.com.au

NoCookies | The Australian

Apparently, an internal memo was leaked yesterday saying that front line workers and high risk will start getting the Oxford Vaccine in UK by early December under emergency approval.

As per Australia's official web page

Australia’s vaccine agreements

The Australian Government has invested a total of over $18 billion in Australia’s vaccine and COVID-19 treatment supply as part of the COVID-19 Health response. Learn more about our vaccine agreements.

www.health.gov.au

3.8 million doses in Jan 2021 for frontline workers (really 1.9 mill people as need two doses) with 30 mill doses to be manufactured between Jan and Sep 2021 (in monthly batches)

So guess the question is.. who do they pick for subsequent doses after initial vaccinations in Jan. How is it decided who gets the jab first.

 

[Pushka]

Early results in as COVID vaccine frontrunner tested on high risk groups

AstraZeneca, which is developing the vaccine with Oxford University researchers, is seen as a leading contender in the race to produce a vaccine.

7news.com.au

NoCookies | The Australian

Apparently, an internal memo was leaked yesterday saying that front line workers and high risk will start getting the Oxford Vaccine in UK by early December under emergency approval.

As per Australia's official web page

Australia’s vaccine agreements

The Australian Government has invested a total of over $18 billion in Australia’s vaccine and COVID-19 treatment supply as part of the COVID-19 Health response. Learn more about our vaccine agreements.

www.health.gov.au

3.8 million doses in Jan 2021 for frontline workers (really 1.9 mill people as need two doses) with 30 mill doses to be manufactured between Jan and Sep 2021 (in monthly batches)

So guess the question is.. who do they pick for subsequent doses after initial vaccinations in Jan. How is it decided who gets the jab first.

Yes. Reported in Bloomberg and if that is to be believe it stated there had been a robust antibody response to the vaccine providing the required result to adults. We can but hope.

 

[drron]

Early results in as COVID vaccine frontrunner tested on high risk groups

AstraZeneca, which is developing the vaccine with Oxford University researchers, is seen as a leading contender in the race to produce a vaccine.

7news.com.au

NoCookies | The Australian

Apparently, an internal memo was leaked yesterday saying that front line workers and high risk will start getting the Oxford Vaccine in UK by early December under emergency approval.

As per Australia's official web page

Australia’s vaccine agreements

The Australian Government has invested a total of over $18 billion in Australia’s vaccine and COVID-19 treatment supply as part of the COVID-19 Health response. Learn more about our vaccine agreements.

www.health.gov.au

3.8 million doses in Jan 2021 for frontline workers (really 1.9 mill people as need two doses) with 30 mill doses to be manufactured between Jan and Sep 2021 (in monthly batches)

So guess the question is.. who do they pick for subsequent doses after initial vaccinations in Jan. How is it decided who gets the jab first.

So it means by the end of the third quarter 2021 a maximum of 60% of the population could be vaccinated.
is that enough to reopen borders without quarantine?

 

[ayushamity]

is that enough to reopen borders without quarantine?

I would say they would open borders next year with the caveat that need to get vaccinated to travel. So the lucky ones who get vaccinated earlier in the year can travel.

Thankfully, there seem to be plenty of anti vaxxers around so more vaccines for us.

 

[jakeseven7]

I would say they would open borders next year with the caveat that need to get vaccinated to travel. So the lucky ones who get vaccinated earlier in the year can travel.

Thankfully, there seem to be plenty of anti vaxxers around so more vaccines for us.

Australians are a highly compliant bunch, I expect most will get it, especially if people aren't experiencing adverse reactions in the UK and EU who will be getting it ahead of us in numbers.

Byron Bay and the northern NSW coast is where most the anti-vaxxers live so might be some covid bubbles there!