QF A380 to DFW; QF9/10 retiming

[serfty]

A quick casual guess would be that you are now being asked to pay the Qantas fuel fines.

... as in the increase to them ...

 

[straitman]

Any ideas of duration, DFW-SYD?

DFW-BNE was bad enough in J (with old F product) - seemed to last forever!

Not sure I'd fancy DFW-SYD in Y!!!

Regards,

BD

At a wild unsubstantiated guess I would say about 30 min longer.

 

[wandering_fred]

makes the planned Perth to San Antonio trip next February a bit more attractive, stopped in DFW on route to Orlando this year and it was a much nicer experience that LAX

PER-HKG-DFW may be slightly longer in total but is likely to have a shorter stopover time.
Maybe I'll have to compare the prices since I really would prefer a stopover in HKG...


Happy wandering

Fred

 

[Himeno]

So the 744ER was weight restricted, and I assume the A380 will be too, unless QF is suddenly going to use the EK HGW A380 ??

Maybe they could wet lease for each other. QF operating DFW-DXB for EK and EK operating DFW-SYD for QF. ;P

The new QF10 LHR-DXB timings will be similar to the BA107 (the 744 flight) times. Maybe QF is targeting some BA pax. BA operates a daily 777 and 747 and a seasonal 767 on LHR-DXB-LHR.

 

[V1213]

Though a 2055 arrival into MEL will limit onward connections arriving back into Australia, forcing a night in MEL before you get back home if travelling to other places.

It looks as though based on current schedules there are no same day connection opportunities.
With a 60 minute MCT International-Domestic a new/retimed flight to ADL would be practical. PER, BNE and CBR could all work as the airports don't have curfews, but other than CBR there are more practical ways of getting from DXB to Australia.
If QF really want to increase fleet utilisation a late ADL flight and maybe a CBR flight should be on the cards...
I'm not expecting anything, but we won't know for sure until the new flight times are put in the GDS next Wednesday.

 

[straitman]

Why not keep it daily and use the 747 once a week?
Where are the 2 freed up 747s going? Just to cover an earlier retirement of 2 older 744s?
Why are they dropping the BNE QF8 stop? Just because a 388 can do DFW-SYD, shouldn't mean they have to drop the stop. Lots of people have been getting off QF8 in BNE and connecting to other flights there instead of going through SYD...

The face sheet on this suggests other routes are getting retimed. Any details as to which ones? The press release mentions the QF9/10 MEL and LHR depart times and the DXB/LHR/MEL arrive times. Anyone seen the DXB depart times?

There is a video on Youtube announcing the DFW change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efg1nl9XDV0
They use VH-OQF for the photo op... Just coincidence, or preplanned?

Have a look at the posts before yours to see the times.

That shouldn't have taken very long.
QF: BA, we're taking our slots back. You can use these ones instead.

If only it was that simple. Sorry but it is not.

When do QF normally update their timetable? The new times aren't loaded yet.

Once again see the post before yours for the answer. The dat is mentioned.

 

[Himeno]

Have a look at the posts before yours to see the times.
Once again see the post before yours for the answer. The dat is mentioned.

Not so. The press release mentions QF9 MEL departure and DXB and LHR arrival times and the QF10 LHR departure and DXB and MEL arrival times. QF has, at this point, not mentioned anything about DXB departure times.
Some people have posted guesses of those times, but while they may turn out to be correct or otherwise close, until QF updates the timetable with the times, that is all the DXB departure times are - guesses.

 

[Himeno]

It looks as though based on current schedules there are no same day connection opportunities.
With a 60 minute MCT International-Domestic a new/retimed flight to ADL would be practical. PER, BNE and CBR could all work as the airports don't have curfews, but other than CBR there are more practical ways of getting from DXB to Australia.
If QF really want to increase fleet utilisation a late ADL flight and maybe a CBR flight should be on the cards...
I'm not expecting anything, but we won't know for sure until the new flight times are put in the GDS next Wednesday.

CBR may not have a curfew, but the terminal itself does close overnight.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

The big difference in fuel surcharge is likely because EK didn't charge them (or they were very small) when the qf ek alliance started but they now do at Qantas' insistence. EK awards to europe were very attractive in comparison to qf initially due to next to no surcharges.

 

[straitman]

Not so. The press release mentions QF9 MEL departure and DXB and LHR arrival times and the QF10 LHR departure and DXB and MEL arrival times. QF has, at this point, not mentioned anything about DXB departure times.
Some people have posted guesses of those times, but while they may turn out to be correct or otherwise close, until QF updates the timetable with the times, that is all the DXB departure times are - guesses.

Sorry I am not into splitting straws :!:

One thing I have learnt over 40 years in the aviation industry is that if the a/c depart at a given time and the schedule says X hrs from A to B then the arrival time is departure plus X. Conversely for arrival times. They will be only a few minutes out at worst.

 

[notsure]

Hubby had high hopes for being able to attend a football game earlier in the day we leave LHR on QF10 - not going to happen now...plus I now have to plan for an overnight in Melbourne...but at least QF have finally released the timings (since we've all known the changes were coming for weeks now, just not the details), and I can finalize plans.

All in all, seems like a positive change though.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Not so. The press release mentions QF9 MEL departure and DXB and LHR arrival times and the QF10 LHR departure and DXB and MEL arrival times. QF has, at this point, not mentioned anything about DXB departure times.
Some people have posted guesses of those times, but while they may turn out to be correct or otherwise close, until QF updates the timetable with the times, that is all the DXB departure times are - guesses.

Himeno, QF actually has published all the departure and arrival times. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist.

They are here:

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/policies/FAQsQF9QF10Retime070514.pdf

 

[jedinite]

Just released:

QF 7/8 to become A380 service 6 days per week (no TUES) from September. No BNE stop on return.

QF9 & 10 retimings out too; from 20 July:

QF9 MEL-DXB 2255-0705+1. Arrive LHR 1340.
QF10 LHR-DXB 1330-2325. Arrive MEL 2055+1.

Damm. Im booked on QF9 in Aug and QF10 in Sept. This will stuff up my plans for the day of arrival and day of departure (have prepaid tours that won't allow me to make the new flight times) I'm now looking like I'm up for another days accommodation at both ends of my trips.
The current QF code share Emirates metal flight QF8006/QF8406 LHR to MEL are almost like the old QF10 timings. Is it liking that Qantas would let me swap to those flights?
(My QF9 booking is a First any seat award, and my QF10 is a Classic J award)
Might have to do QF1 Syd to LHR if thats an option?
Should i contact Qantas proactively or wait until these times are loaded in their system?

 

[JohnPhelan]

Should i contact Qantas proactively or wait until these times are loaded in their system?

Others who have rung have been told they need to wait until the new flights are loaded before changes can be made.

Have a look at the loads and work out your preferences (including the codeshares on EK). The flight that concerns me is the F award.

 

[jedinite]

Others who have rung have been told they need to wait until the new flights are loaded before changes can be made.

Have a look at the loads and work out your preferences (including the codeshares on EK). The flight that concerns me is the F award.

Ok, have had some time to read their "Commercial Terms" http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/policies/comPolQF9QF10Retime070514.pdf
Says Any seat award rebook no problems - so my QF9 in first looks like an easy change,
However it then goes on to say for Classic awards - can only change if there is current classic award availability! Now that blows, as there is of course, not a single classic award seat in J available this close to travel. Worried about the QF10 return as its only a classic award.
Lets hope my platinum status can get some seats released (if there is any) - I had to ring up and get those QF10 seats released in the first place, and that was the first day they went on sale.

 

[Awesom Andy]

For ticketing, Red Roo's link states: Tickets for the new A380 services will be available for sale from Wednesday 14 May.
So I guess they won't be loaded until then (or a short time before then).

In terms of inbound connections after arrival at MEL: If you need to be elsewhere anyway, QF2 still goes to SYD at the more familiar time, although I guess you'll hate that transit bus.

For HKG: Not sure what the loadings in F is usually, although going from the A380 to the refurbed 744 means a drop of F, 6 J seats, 1 Y+ seat, and 101 Y seats. Given the current market conditions in the region*, I think it is an excellent move. Apologies for those travelling in F.

* The economy/budget end of the market in SE Asia has basically vaporised since the middle of last year. Even some LCCs are doing it tough, making losses and kerbing expansion plans.

 

[Isochronous]

For ticketing, Red Roo's link states: Tickets for the new A380 services will be available for sale from Wednesday 14 May.
So I guess they won't be loaded until then (or a short time before then).

In terms of inbound connections after arrival at MEL: If you need to be elsewhere anyway, QF2 still goes to SYD at the more familiar time, although I guess you'll hate that transit bus.


For HKG: Not sure what the loadings in F is usually, although going from the A380 to the refurbed 744 means a drop of F, 6 J seats, 1 Y+ seat, and 101 Y seats. Given the current market conditions in the region*, I think it is an excellent move. Apologies for those travelling in F.

* The economy/budget end of the market in SE Asia has basically vaporised since the middle of last year. Even some LCCs are doing it tough, making losses and kerbing expansion plans.

HKG is NOT South East Asia.

 

[Simo]

Good for the leisure market nit sure if it is good for the business traveller.

Mel departure time is good but getting in to LHR nearly at end of day might not work for some business travellers.

 

[serfty]

I can envisage the QF1/QF10/QF9/QF2 rotation.

[SIZE=3] QF1 SYD-DXB : 15:50   - 00:35+1
 QF1 DXB-LHR : 02:15+1 - 06:45+1
QF10 LHR-DXB : 13:30+1 - 23:25+1
QF10 DXB-MEL : 01:35+2 - 20:55+2
 QF9 MEL-DXB : 22:55+2 - 07:05+3
 QF9 DXB-LHR : 09:10+3 - 13:40+3 
 QF2 LHR-DXB : 21:25+3 - 07:20+4
 QF2 DXB-SYD : 09:20+4 - 05:10+5[/SIZE]

...

They look good at the moment. Waiting to get the DXB departure times confirmed.
...

I have estimated these based on the current flight timings.

Not so. The press release mentions QF9 MEL departure and DXB and LHR arrival times and the QF10 LHR departure and DXB and MEL arrival times. QF has, at this point, not mentioned anything about DXB departure times.
Some people have posted guesses of those times, but while they may turn out to be correct or otherwise close, until QF updates the timetable with the times, that is all the DXB departure times are - guesses.

Sorry I am not into splitting straws :!:

If the a/c depart at a given time and the schedule says X hrs from A to B then the arrival time is departure plus X. Conversely for arrival times. They will be only a few minutes out at worst.

The Times I calculated match Qantas' exactly ...

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201405/0501

 

[Quickstatus]

Ok, have had some time to read their "Commercial Terms" http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/policies/comPolQF9QF10Retime070514.pdf
Says Any seat award rebook no problems - so my QF9 in first looks like an easy change,
However it then goes on to say for Classic awards - can only change if there is current classic award availability! Now that blows, as there is of course, not a single classic award seat in J available this close to travel. Worried about the QF10 return as its only a classic award.
Lets hope my platinum status can get some seats released (if there is any) - I had to ring up and get those QF10 seats released in the first place, and that was the first day they went on sale.

I would not worry but I would be very proactive about checking your online booking regularly.

A few years ago, I had J classic award x4 booked SYD-LAX via AKL when QF had that option. When they cancelled that flight permanently, QF contacted me and put me on the much more desirable QF 107/108 which was a direct flight instead of having to transit through AKL. At the time of booking the original classic award seats there were no classic awards on QF107/108.

I even got the seats in rows 1-2 and at the time I was a bronze FF.

QF will either contact you or put a note in your online booking to ring them. So just check your online booking from time to time.